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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    How so? I maintain this kind of argument is not helpful to the debate, I didn't say I wouldn't take part in it.
    So, you are OK with participating in things that are not helpful to debate, Either this is true or you are hypocritical.

    You resorted to nihilism and ex post justification. I destroyed your argument. and as you know I never turn down a good argument.
    You lost. Easily. Everyone saw it.

    And now look at how this thread is progressing. It's a lot of work to get an ME thread back on point, once the usual suspects decide to go after the "it's their fault, no, it's their fault" argument. As I said in the other post, I'll let you guys rewrite history, or do whatever it is you do. Let me know when you are done.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    So, you are OK with participating in things that are not helpful to debate, Either this is true or you are hypocritical.
    It is true.



    You lost. Easily. Everyone saw it.
    Who saw it? Sir Loin and Tashah the oh so unbiased posters who thanked you.

    The events of 19487/8 hardly provide justification when looking at it from the 1918 or 19309 point of view. Nor does pretending morals and normative elements aren't allowed into it even when talking of aggressors and then randomly eempting the actions of the UN from this requirement.

    And now look at how this thread is progressing. It's a lot of work to get an ME thread back on point, once the usual suspects decide to go after the "it's their fault, no, it's their fault" argument. As I said in the other post, I'll let you guys rewrite history, or do whatever it is you do. Let me know when you are done.
    Okay, I agree, I have made my point, I have shown Agentferris's silly data is wrong I will pull out for you CC.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Which British statistics?

    What I quoted came from the Anglo-American committee on Palestine in 1946.
    p. 257 of the Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine.


    What you quoted doesn't take into account the partition lines which for example would have put nearly 60% of the Jewish state in the Negev desert of which according to your link 85% was "public or other"

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    p. 257 of the Government of Palestine, Survey of Palestine.




    What you quoted doesn't take into account the partition lines which for example would have put nearly 60% of the Jewish state in the Negev desert of which according to your link 85% was "public or other"
    This is neither relevant to what I said nor makes much sense but I have agreed to what CC said and I will discuss this no longer.

    Let's get back to the discussion in hand.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    So what is Israel "sacrificing" if it returns the territories it occupied in 1967?
    Territorial integrity won by righteous conquest and the strategic advantage thereof. Golan is Israel forever.

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    What is Israel "sacrificing" if it allows Palestinians to return to Israel?
    Their voting majority. They have decided, no.

    Looks like someone needs to learn to take No for an answer.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    It "won the land in a war." Just like Saddam "won the land in Kuwait" when he invaded.
    No, nothing at all like it, since Kuwait had not been shelling Iraq with mortars from the border.

    You are just so full of it here it is laughable.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    This is neither relevant to what I said nor makes much sense
    It makes perfect sense as your statistics are by district not by the partition borders.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Tashah View Post
    I've thought about this. Why is Netanyahu the Israeli PM today?

    The Livni block did indeed garner the most votes in the election, but not enough to form a working government without embracing the various minority blocks and thus diluting the Kadima platform.

    Remember that the election was held in the midst of conflict with Hamas. Olmert and Kadima had previously adopted a very moderate postion in regards to negotiations with Abbas. It was Livni's intent to continue this moderate stance after the election.

    Olmert asked, cajoled, pleaded, and warned Hamas to stop the incessant rocket attacks. Hamas refused. Due to the great internal pressures from Israelis fed up with the Hamas attacks, Olmert had virtually no viable alternative except to initiate blunt force.

    I personally believe that if Hamas had stopped with the attacks (even temporarily), Livni would have garnered the plurality necessary to claim uncontested victory and form a majority moderate government. But Hamas didn't stop. It instead increased the tempo and violence of the attacks. Many Israeli voters who had intended to vote for Livni considered the situation and came to the conclusion that Hamas had no intention whatsoever of meeting a moderate Kadima government even halfway. Continued warfare was unavoidable. In such a war environment, many people understandably prefer a hawkish government. This preference sucked precious votes away from Livni and the moderates.

    One could easily speculate that the increased Hamas attacks were calculated to almost ensure that post-election, Abbas would have to deal with the implacable Netanyahu rather than the more moderate and flexible Livni.

    The calculated Hamas rocket attacks were political arrows rather than resistence weaponry. The implications are clear. The result is before your eyes. One could venture to say that Prime Minister Binyamin Netanyahu is the love child of Hamas rockets and intransigence.
    Awesome analysis, what do you think the effects of Iran's big mouth had on this situation behind the scenes?
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by bub View Post
    Polls show that 72% of the Palestinian want the 2-states solution
    Oh really ?

    VOTES show they want Hamas in control by 70%. (75 of 118 seats )

    and I think we all know what the Hamas Charter says by now right ?

    I think that poll, combined with that vote, shows conclusively that palestinians are talking out both sides of their mouth, or simply lying to your pollster.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Oh really ?

    VOTES show they want Hamas in control by 70%. (75 of 118 seats )

    and I think we all know what the Hamas Charter says by now right ?

    I think that poll, combined with that vote, shows conclusively that palestinians are talking out both sides of their mouth, or simply lying to your pollster.
    Surprise!!! All the Palestinians supporters now have to ask themselves who's causing gridlock over peace.
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