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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Perhaps the Arab league shouldn't have responded with the "three no's" when Israel offered to return the territory it had captured in return for recognition of Israel. But regardless as to the U.N. claiming illegal settlers, I see no reason whatsoever for Israel to abide by U.N. resolution 242 until Syria does. Lebanon, Jordan, and Egypt abided by said resolution (decades after it was passed) and Israel has returned all of their captured territory.
    As you said before. I did not disagree.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The Israelis are illegal immigrants so they have no say.
    Why should Israel abide by UNSCR 242 while Syria does not?

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    Why should Israel abide by UNSCR 242 while Syria does not?
    What has that to do with out discussion?
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    My stats were from 1946 and for what is now Israel, so it is perfectly clears yours were very wrong.

    But anyway enough I told CC I would no longer argue about this.
    I cited my source, your stats were not for Israel only they were for the entire Palestinian mandate west of the Jordan river including the land that was to be partitioned into the Palestinian state.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    I cited my source, your stats were not for Israel only they were for the entire Palestinian mandate west of the Jordan river including the land that was to be partitioned into the Palestinian state.
    No they were for Israel and the West bank as it makes clear.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Tashah, you have missed my point. I never said Israel just arbitrarily invaded and took land. The point that I was making is that returning occupied lands, regardless of why they were occupied, isn't an actual sacrifice per se. The argument spilled into this "the land is Israels forever because they won it in a war." No, it's not. Israel occupied that land as a strategic buffer so that they could have some measure of security for their citizens in Israel proper. I fully understand and appreciate this. But it still doesn't mean Israel owns the land.
    Then who owns it? The Arab states who claimed sovereignty renounced it in 1967, it was not until then that the Arabs who resided their started calling themselves "Palestinians", I don't see why Arabs have more of a territorial claim to said land than Israel, especially considering that Israel is an actual state.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    No they were for Israel and the West bank as it makes clear.
    It was for the entire Palestinian Mandate west of the Jordan river, follow your link to the source link and you find this picture:



    Now here is the Partition plan border lines:



    Nearly 60% of the entire Israeli state fell into the Negev desert of the Beersheba district 85% of which was crown land.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    It was for the entire Palestinian Mandate west of the Jordan river
    Isn't that what I just said more or less.
    Nearly 60% of the entire Israeli state fell into the Negev desert of the Beersheba district 85% of which was crown land.
    What point are you making? You are mostly backing up my points.
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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Isn't that what I just said more or less.
    No your first assertion was that the Jews stole the land, that was proven false, then you asserted that my statistics were wrong.

    Then when countered with the facts regarding your map and the majority of the Israeli state lying in the Negev desert and your map being skewed with regards to it not taking into account the partition borders but rather only districts you said that it was only Israel and not the proposed Arab state as well.

    Then when countered with the fact that it was all of the Mandate west of the Jordan river you changed your position yet again to include the west bank, so then I had to bust out the maps proving that it was both the entirety of the proposed Arab state and the Israeli state.

    What point are you making?
    My point is and always has been that the Jews did not steal the land as you claimed because the fact of the matter is that 70% of the land partitioned for the state of Israel was crown land, 9% was owned by Jews, and only 3% by Arabs.

    You are mostly backing up my points.
    I'm not backing up your points at all my point still stands, your statistics were not for the borders of the partition plan it was by district, and since it does not take into account the partition borders the figures get skewed to appear to contradict my statistics when they don't at all.

    Your contention that your statistics contradict my statistics is fallacious.

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    Re: Arabs revising peace plan to gain Israel backing

    Quote Originally Posted by Agent Ferris View Post
    No your first assertion was that the Jews stole the land, that was proven false, then you asserted that my statistics were wrong.
    You mean your unsupported statistics that I debunked.
    Then when countered with the facts regarding your map and the majority of the Israeli state lying in the Negev desert and your map being skewed with regards to it not taking into account the partition borders but rather only districts you said that it was only Israel and not the proposed Arab state as well.
    What are you talking about, this doesn't even make sense.

    Then when countered with the fact that it was all of the Mandate west of the Jordan river you changed your position yet again to include the west bank, so then I had to bust out the maps proving that it was both the entirety of the proposed Arab state and the Israeli state.
    Umm I said it included the West bank before you did.

    My point is and always has been that the Jews did not steal the land as you claimed because the fact of the matter is that 70% of the land partitioned for the state of Israel was crown land, 9% was owned by Jews, and only 3% by Arabs.
    And you have not backed this up but been debunked in it.


    I'm not backing up your points at all my point still stands, your statistics were not for the borders of the partition plan it was by district, and since it does not take into account the partition borders the figures get skewed to appear to contradict my statistics when they don't at all.
    What are you talking about? The area is the same the total should not matter. This makes absolutely no sense.

    Your contention that your statistics contradict my statistics is fallacious.
    Rubbish. You stats are not backed up and make no sense. Try again calmly and slowly.
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