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UK 'least wanted' list published

Gill said:
Short answer - YES
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Well that may be true philosophically. But it's up to the people of that country to decide, not the people of another.
 
Saboteur said:
liberalism - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

Main Entry: lib·er·al·ism
Pronunciation: \ˈli-b(ə-)rə-ˌli-zəm\
Function: noun
Date: 1819
1: the quality or state of being liberal
2 a: often capitalized : a movement in modern Protestantism emphasizing intellectual liberty and the spiritual and ethical content of Christianity b: a theory in economics emphasizing individual freedom from restraint and usually based on free competition, the self-regulating market, and the gold standard c: a political philosophy based on belief in progress, the essential goodness of the human race, and the autonomy of the individual and standing for the protection of political and civil liberties d: capitalized the principles and policies of a Liberal party
— lib·er·al·ist \-b(ə-)rə-list\ noun or adjective
— lib·er·al·is·tic \ˌli-b(ə-)rə-ˈlis-tik\ adjective
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A definition of a liberal written by a liberal. Ya gotta love it.
 
Saboteur said:
Well that may be true philosophically. But it's up to the people of that country to decide, not the people of another.
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In the U.S., non-Americans have the same rights as citizens. Is that not clear??
 
American said:
Let's take a look at the Nazi swine who banned Savage.

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Am I supposed to know who this is?
 
Gill said:
A definition of a liberal written by a liberal. Ya gotta love it.
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Uh huh I figured that would be said. got nothing better?
 
Gill said:
In the U.S., non-Americans have the same rights as citizens. Is that not clear??
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I think you misinterpreted the question you answered. The poster didn't specify non-americans in the U.S., she asked if non-americans were entiteld to americans rights.
 
Saboteur said:
Savage's statement is a hateful lie and you know it.
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Free speech is what it is.
It reveals idiocy and genius; sometimes a very fine line.

You want to start this game?
It is a political one.
It ends badly.

Now... let's play shall we?

You can take Savage, and I'll raise you with Rev Wright, Rev Pfleger and Barack Hussein Obama for starters.

Your turn.

My position? Perhaps you should understand what you think you hate.
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I know what it is, from your perspective.
It is equivocal to intolerance.

Liberal used to mean 180 to what it does today.
Libs have taken a good term, and as usual, have preverted it beyond belief.
Then they run from it, like Hillary, and her "progressive" moniker.

You folks really are a sad lot.
What is it about Liberty that you cannot understand or tolerate?

Of course I don 't expect to accept that fact because your weak mind has been twisted by those idiots you pay attention to.
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Geez, I used to be a hard core leftist.
Then I grew up. Changed 180 degrees.
What was that about not being open minded... "weak minded"?

It's not the U.S., there has always been this policy in britian, they are just now making it public knowledge of who is on the list.
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Is England hostile to free speech... free political speech? Seems so.

I agree but here in the U.S., if he is in another country he should obey that countries laws.
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To think, we are largely a product of the English, English thought, English law.

My, how they have fallen.


That's what people said before an insane Austrian took over Germany a few decades ago. But you're right we shouldn't learn from the past, we should just demonize with propaganda and 'brave words' a set of people whom we don't agree with for the soul purpose of having a scapegoat to cover the true intentions of their party.
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This is the case for censorship?
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A party that censored and killed its opponents?
Hmmm.


If you tell a big enough lie and tell it frequently enough, it will be believed.
Adolf Hitler
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LOL.
You Libs have this down to perfection, and with the aid of the AMMP (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ineman&usg=AFQjCNFJ_8vWwSSMxpllDfCyEqwtibBfQw) you have the propagandist arm... yet you fret over a someone who doesn't tolerate you very often.

You've got a nice bed fellow.
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Did I say I listen to Savage (I have a couple times), have I said I supported him?

See, what I am defending is the value of FREE SPEECH.
I think Rev. Wright and Pfleger are loony toons, but have, through being able to speak freely... identified what type of spineless drivel they are and Obama is nd has been for decades.

They shouldn't be censored, because it tells us who these hate mongers and their followers are.

He sat there for 20 years... ate up the hate... and THAT has value.
If only people would have looked... because we're getting it back in spades today.

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This makes me think the UK gov't has a very low opinion of it's own people if simply letting someone like Michael Savage into their country will be enough to incite people to violence against certain groups :confused:
WTF? Aren't the citizens over there offended that their gov't holds such a low opinion of them? Their government's stance says way more about them than it does about Michael Savage.
At the very least it makes me think the gov't over there thinks it's people are very delicate and need to be wrapped in cotton wool; have their delicate ears protected from maybe hearing something offensive.
**Hmm, maybe there's some money to be made in all this. If Savage does find a way in maybe we can export some smelling salts. What if he talks and they *gasp* hear him?! I imagine them clasping their bosoms and going into a swoon or something :lol:
 
Dix said:
This makes me think the UK gov't has a very low opinion of it's own people if simply letting someone like Michael Savage into their country will be enough to incite people to violence against certain groups :confused:
WTF? Aren't the citizens over there offended that their gov't holds such a low opinion of them? Their government's stance says way more about them than it does about Michael Savage.
At the very least it makes me think the gov't over there thinks it's people are very delicate and need to be wrapped in cotton wool; have their delicate ears protected from maybe hearing something offensive.
**Hmm, maybe there's some money to be made in all this. If Savage does find a way in maybe we can export some smelling salts. What if he talks and they *gasp* hear him?! I imagine them clasping their bosoms and going into a swoon or something :lol:
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To the Libs, people are morons and cannot survive without government playing the role of Mommy Dearest.

My bet is most people haven't heard of Savage over there... but will be as curious as hell to take a bite of the Forbidden Fruit.

They elevated Savage to unheard of levels, and gave him tens of millions in free advertising. People in the UK (and around the world) will tune in, and gain him temporarily, an international audience greater than he could have ever imagined... even if he launched a massive campaign to do so... LOL.

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It amazes me how fast the right can cloud an issue and twist the facts and take focus away from what this is and bring out something totally unrelated.. aka free speech.

News flash, Savages and the others right to free speech or any of the others has not been taken away from them.

News flash, the only thing that has been denied to them is entry in the UK. This is in no way a right what so ever for anyone other than a UK citizen. They can still spew their hatred and brainwashing from the safety of their own countries without any consequences....

In fact with this list, Savages and the others right to free speech will be increased because they will get into the media spotlight for at least 15 min, which in turn will mean the usual crackpot supporters will spew their brain-dead opinions and unrelated material in their defence and yet again bring to the front the anti democratic forces that they represent. I would not be surprised if someone did not soon start to float the idea it was all Clintons fault or that in fact it was some communist plot supported by Osama Bin Laden.

The UK, like the US and every other country on the planet, has every right to deny anyone entry in to their territory for what ever reason they see fit, sane or not.

It is NOT a free speech issue what so ever and dont delude yourselves into believing it is.
 
PeteEU said:
It amazes me how fast the right can cloud an issue and twist the facts and take focus away from what this is and bring out something totally unrelated.. aka free speech.

News flash, Savages and the others right to free speech or any of the others has not been taken away from them.

News flash, the only thing that has been denied to them is entry in the UK. This is in no way a right what so ever for anyone other than a UK citizen. They can still spew their hatred and brainwashing from the safety of their own countries without any consequences....

In fact with this list, Savages and the others right to free speech will be increased because they will get into the media spotlight for at least 15 min, which in turn will mean the usual crackpot supporters will spew their brain-dead opinions and unrelated material in their defence and yet again bring to the front the anti democratic forces that they represent. I would not be surprised if someone did not soon start to float the idea it was all Clintons fault or that in fact it was some communist plot supported by Osama Bin Laden.

The UK, like the US and every other country on the planet, has every right to deny anyone entry in to their territory for what ever reason they see fit, sane or not.

It is NOT a free speech issue what so ever and dont delude yourselves into believing it is.
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I'll have to go back and review your stand on illegal immigration into the US. I'm sure it will be enlightening.
 
zimmer said:
To the Libs, people are morons and cannot survive without government playing the role of Mommy Dearest.

My bet is most people haven't heard of Savage over there... but will be as curious as hell to take a bite of the Forbidden Fruit.

They elevated Savage to unheard of levels, and gave him tens of millions in free advertising. People in the UK (and around the world) will tune in, and gain him temporarily, an international audience greater than he could have ever imagined... even if he launched a massive campaign to do so... LOL.

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You think the UK will block his website?
 
Saboteur said:
Uh huh I figured that would be said. got nothing better?
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Nothing else is needed. It's self-explanatory.

I can give definitions of liberalism all day long, but I doubt you would agree with them.
 
PeteEU said:
It amazes me how fast the right can cloud an issue and twist the facts and take focus away from what this is and bring out something totally unrelated.. aka free speech.

News flash, Savages and the others right to free speech or any of the others has not been taken away from them.

News flash, the only thing that has been denied to them is entry in the UK. This is in no way a right what so ever for anyone other than a UK citizen. They can still spew their hatred and brainwashing from the safety of their own countries without any consequences....

In fact with this list, Savages and the others right to free speech will be increased because they will get into the media spotlight for at least 15 min, which in turn will mean the usual crackpot supporters will spew their brain-dead opinions and unrelated material in their defence and yet again bring to the front the anti democratic forces that they represent. I would not be surprised if someone did not soon start to float the idea it was all Clintons fault or that in fact it was some communist plot supported by Osama Bin Laden.

The UK, like the US and every other country on the planet, has every right to deny anyone entry in to their territory for what ever reason they see fit, sane or not.

It is NOT a free speech issue what so ever and dont delude yourselves into believing it is.
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Well except for the fact that presumably it was talking that got Savage on that no entry list.
 
American said:
You think the UK will block his website?
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If they believe what they put out for public consumption, how can they not?
It would seem highly hypocritical.

Ugh s**t... sorry... I momentarily forgot who we were talking about.

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American said:
I'll have to go back and review your stand on illegal immigration into the US. I'm sure it will be enlightening.
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And the relevance to the subject at hand?
 
talloulou said:
Well except for the fact that presumably it was talking that got Savage on that no entry list.
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So? Most are pretty much on that list for talking.. what makes Savage and the other American freak so special? I mean I dont hear anyone crying foul over the Muslim's being banned from entering the UK, or the Russian skin heads, or even (oddly) the Jewish radical..

Like it or not, the UK has the right to deny entry for anyone they like, JUST like Israel, and the US do on a very regular basis.
 
PeteEU said:
So? Most are pretty much on that list for talking.. what makes Savage and the other American freak so special? I mean I dont hear anyone crying foul over the Muslim's being banned from entering the UK, or the Russian skin heads, or even (oddly) the Jewish radical..

Like it or not, the UK has the right to deny entry for anyone they like, JUST like Israel, and the US do on a very regular basis.
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I'm not arguing that they don't. However I really hope the US does not go in the same direction. Folks should be able to say what's on their mind without the thought police threatening them with banishment from what are supposed to be relatively free societies.

Savage is a dick, but who wants to live in a dickless environment? Not me! :mrgreen:
 
talloulou said:
I'm not arguing that they don't. However I really hope the US does not go in the same direction. Folks should be able to say what's on their mind without the thought police threatening them with banishment from what are supposed to be relatively free societies.

Savage is a dick, but who wants to live in a dickless environment? Not me! :mrgreen:
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The US has already done that for god sake lol.

They have banned entry for 3 month old babies because they had the "wrong name".

Even the Cat Stevens issue was a clear cut attempt to bar a person because of his opinions, even though the alleged opinions were provided by a 3rd party without any evidence. Even if Cat Stevens had knowingly given money to a Hamas charity, then that is an expression just as much as saying "i support bla bla" and the US banned entry based on this allegation by another nation. So dont try to delude yourself in thinking that the US is any better than the UK.. after there are over 1 million people on the no fly list to the US.. and far far from all of those are wanted terrorists.. they are on that list because the US does not want them into the US for what ever reason they see fit..
 
PeteEU said:
The US has already done that for god sake lol.

They have banned entry for 3 month old babies because they had the "wrong name".

Even the Cat Stevens issue was a clear cut attempt to bar a person because of his opinions, even though the alleged opinions were provided by a 3rd party without any evidence. Even if Cat Stevens had knowingly given money to a Hamas charity, then that is an expression just as much as saying "i support bla bla" and the US banned entry based on this allegation by another nation. So dont try to delude yourself in thinking that the US is any better than the UK.. after there are over 1 million people on the no fly list to the US.. and far far from all of those are wanted terrorists.. they are on that list because the US does not want them into the US for what ever reason they see fit..
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Thats like saying how dare you criticize us over our ban on guns you people ban the private ownership of NASA space shuttles and don't let people launch satellite rockets from the front yards of residential properties. Giving money to terrorist groups and speaking your mind about something are two completely separate things.
 
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PeteEU said:
The US has already done that for god sake lol.

They have banned entry for 3 month old babies because they had the "wrong name".

Even the Cat Stevens issue was a clear cut attempt to bar a person because of his opinions, even though the alleged opinions were provided by a 3rd party without any evidence. Even if Cat Stevens had knowingly given money to a Hamas charity, then that is an expression just as much as saying "i support bla bla" and the US banned entry based on this allegation by another nation. So dont try to delude yourself in thinking that the US is any better than the UK.. after there are over 1 million people on the no fly list to the US.. and far far from all of those are wanted terrorists.. they are on that list because the US does not want them into the US for what ever reason they see fit..
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I know this. I have said I thought the Cat Stevens thing was stupid. I think and hope the difference is eventually we sort it out and figure out if someone is an actual threat to our society and if not we correct or lift the banning.

The UK doesn't at this time seem to be even making a legit case of "Savage is a threat," so much as they basically seem to be saying people who say this, this, and that are not allowed in. It's not a typo, a concern over someone having the same name as some known terrorist, or concerns that someone is funding terrorist groups. They just don't like his radio show. If the US did that to someone I'd be outraged.
 
zimmer said:
Free speech is what it is.
It reveals idiocy and genius; sometimes a very fine line.
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Do you think we have free speech here in the U.S.? I have a friend who after having a bottle smashed over his head say to his attacker "I'm going to kill you". The attacker's girlfriend called the police, my friend was arrested and charged and convicted of making terroristic threats. 5 years probation for speaking freely.

You want to start this game?
It is a political one.
It ends badly.

Now... let's play shall we?
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OOOOO I'm soooooooo scared pweez don huwt me :roll:

You can take Savage,
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You're on;

Michael Savage - BillionQuotes

Michael Savage:

"Oh, you're one of the sodomites! You should only get AIDS and die, you pig! How's that? Why don't you see if you can sue me, you pig? You got nothing better than to put me down, you piece of garbage? You got nothing to do today? Go eat a sausage and choke on it. Get trichinosis. Okay, got another nice caller here who's busy because he didn't have a nice night in the bath house and is angry at me today?" Bauder, David. "MSNBC fires Savage on anti-gay remarks." Associated Press: July 7, 2003

The radical Democratic left is an army of soulless ghouls. Being of the living dead, they live in a world of death and try to impose it on we the living. Witness who led the charge: a radical homosexual, Barney Frank. A radical abortion Mafiosa, Barbara Boxer. What is difficult for we the living to comprehend is the reason they can engage in such anti-life abominations is because they have no souls. They have said that the tears of Terri Schiavo are mechanical. They have said that her smile is reflexive. They can rip an emerging child from the womb, murder it, and call this a compassionate act. Like Mengele -- the doctor of death from the Nazi concentration camps -- the radical, soulless Democrats keep referring to "the doctors," as if a medical degree guaranteed humanity. Therefore, choose life. God bless George W. Bush." - March 22, 2005.

"With the [Latino] population that has emerged, since they breed like rabbits, in many cases the whites will become a minority in their own nation... The white people don't breed as often for whatever reason. I guess many homosexuals are involved. That is also part of the grand plan, to push homosexuality to cut down on the white race" San Francisco Bay Guardian, September 9, 2000.

and I'll raise you with Rev Wright, Rev Pfleger and Barack Hussein Obama for starters.
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Go ahead quote something as bad as the above from them.

Your turn.


I know what it is, from your perspective.
It is equivocal to intolerance.
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No, it is your perspective is what's twisted.

Liberal used to mean 180 to what it does today.
Libs have taken a good term, and as usual, have preverted it beyond belief.
Then they run from it, like Hillary, and her "progressive" moniker.
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Prove Hilary isn't progressive, don't just repeat what you've heard from your favorite propagandists.

You folks really are a sad lot.
What is it about Liberty that you cannot understand or tolerate?
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Why ask me? Go read an Ann Coulter book I'm sure you'll find your opinion in there somewheree.

Geez, I used to be a hard core leftist.
Then I grew up. Changed 180 degrees.
What was that about not being open minded... "weak minded"?
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Where does it say open minded in the liberalism definition? Because I'm a liberal I'm supposed to tolerate hatred? that's just wrong.

Is England hostile to free speech... free political speech? Seems so.
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Yes they have had limits on free speech for some time.

To think, we are largely a product of the English, English thought, English law.

My, how they have fallen.
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Revolutionary War, War of 1812...

This is the case for censorship?
?
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A party that censored and killed its opponents?
Hmmm.
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Speaking of censorship and killing opponents;

Vester: You say you'd rather not talk to liberals at all?
Coulter: I think a baseball bat is the most effective way these days.

"When contemplating college liberals, you really regret once again that John Walker is not getting the death penalty. We need to execute people like John Walker in order to physically intimidate liberals, by making them realize that they can be killed, too. Otherwise, they will turn out to be outright traitors."

My only regret with Timothy McVeigh is he did not go to the New York Times building.
New York Observer article; August 26, 2002

Ann Coulter


LOL.
You Libs have this down to perfection, and with the aid of the AMMP (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&sour...ineman&usg=AFQjCNFJ_8vWwSSMxpllDfCyEqwtibBfQw) you have the propagandist arm... yet you fret over a someone who doesn't tolerate you very often.
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I knew one of you guys would slip up and call the MSM 'liberal media' someday.


Did I say I listen to Savage (I have a couple times), have I said I supported him?
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In defending him you support him.

See, what I am defending is the value of FREE SPEECH.
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Wrong, you are defending hate speech the same kind of talk that incites violence.

I think Rev. Wright and Pfleger are loony toons, but have, through being able to speak freely... identified what type of spineless drivel they are and Obama is nd has been for decades.

They shouldn't be censored, because it tells us who these hate mongers and their followers are.

He sat there for 20 years... ate up the hate... and THAT has value.
If only people would have looked... because we're getting it back in spades today.
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Prove Obama hates us.
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We seem to be entering a bizarre time when people are being banned purely for their opinions seems like a foolish road to me.
 
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