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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

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    So you are saying he is the Rosie O'Donnell of the right? Nuff said.
    Bad comparison! Savage and O'Donnell may be opposites on issues, but he is consistent in his stance, unlike O'Donnell who is a fool (IMO). I have occasionally found Savage to be obnoxious, but I more often find him right on many major issues that are deteriorating this country. His "borders, language, culture" cry is right on target. Like Jamesrage, I do not see him as an inciter.

    While I occasionally disagree with him on social issues, I realize that his preference of what society should be is closer to sustainable than that of the radical liberals who attack him at every turn.
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    Re: UK 'least wanted' list published

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah he's colorful and crazy to be sure but I don't see anything there that can be genuinely taken as a threat or call to action in a threatening nature.

    I don't think either the US or the UK should get in the business of banning folks for talking like a tard. I don't think one could legitimately argue that Savage represents a real threat, promotes violence, or actively incites others to be violent. It's a bad precedent to set, banning him, and a path they should avoid going down; unless they have something more concrete than his usual rants that would justify such an action.
    Well that's why I said, I don't support his censorship but I wouldn't raise a hand to defend him if he were being tossed out with the garbage. I especially loved his rant about how Senator McCarthy was "100% right".

    And I don't think he incites violence directly or that he even indirectly incites violence. I simply think he arouses the baser aspects of our society and he reviles all the civil aspects of our culture that make us great.

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    Re: UK 'least wanted' list published

    Regardless of what any of us think of Savage, putting him on a list with murderers (or would be murderers) and banning him from entering the UK speaks volumes of how far the UK has moved to the become a politically correct state working its arse off to kill the freedoms that made it what it was. Don't worry, UK, the US is right on your heels jockeying for pole position in the race from greatness!
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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Yeah but in retrospect that seemed decidedly stupid as well since they never really seemed to have any justifiable reason for banning the guy
    The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO.

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    and they've since lifted the ban.
    Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...but there are plenty of other possible reasons too. Maybe they concluded that he was no longer involved with Hamas, or maybe they concluded that his involvement in Hamas was small-scale enough that he wasn't actually a threat to the US, or maybe they concluded that the fuss over banning such a high-profile person outweighed the security risk.

    I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
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    Re: UK 'least wanted' list published

    They will let Islamic militant groups reside and even hold meetings in Britain, the exact ones who speak of killing infidels and their very own citizens.
    But someone who has a dissenting opinion, and most importantly in Savage's Case, a stage to speak on, will get banned?

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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO.



    Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...but there are plenty of other possible reasons too. Maybe they concluded that he was no longer involved with Hamas, or maybe they concluded that his involvement in Hamas was small-scale enough that he wasn't actually a threat to the US, or maybe they concluded that the fuss over banning such a high-profile person outweighed the security risk.

    I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
    I don't think Cat Stevens himself knows why he was on the list or why later he wasn't. There should be some more provisions in cases like this where the accused or rather banned is given a clear concise reason of why and a means of arguing their case. Cat Stevens has said repeatedly that the whole thing was cleared up by him spelling his name over and over again insinuating it was a typo. Since he was also banned from Israel I highly doubt that was the case. I do think it would behoove us and even the UK to have clearer statements/accusations when just refusing someone entry to the country. It does appear as if you can just be put on the list with little to no explanation and then lifted from the list in the exact same manner and all you are left with is rumor and innuendo.

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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The reason was that they believed he had ties to Hamas. If true, that would be sufficient justification for banning him IMO

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    Ya but who knows why that is. Maybe they concluded that they were wrong...
    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    -- I don't know what their reasons were for banning him the first time and lifting the ban afterward. But he's on record saying some pretty nasty things that definitely make me at least wonder if he does indeed have ties with Islamic extremists.
    There was no threat, he was banned period. Persona Non Grata - however there probably weren't pages on a forum like this by Americans asking why someone was listed and banned. However when others do it suddenly we don't like free speech.

    The UK list has been published, we recognise it's existence and I'm not going to try and pretend it doesn't. We have laws on hate speech and incitement to violence that maybe you don't so those on the list are there for reasons that can be justified in law. We arrested Abu Hamza for his incitement to violence and it is since found some of those who carried out the 7th July bombings in London had been to his mosque and followed his hate speech closely to justify their action. The US has also tried to extradite him for the last few years but he's serving British penalty first - you can have him if we ever let him out.

    Yusuf Islam / Cat Stevens was banned (and since had the ban lifted) and the reasons were...........................?

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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post

    Yusuf Islam / Cat Stevens was banned (and since had the ban lifted) and the reasons were...........................?
    Because Israel banned him. He was banned from entering the US because Israel says it has "evidence" of him collaborating with Hamas.. not that it has shared said evidence with the world as far as I know.
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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Infinite Chaos View Post
    There was no threat, he was banned period. Persona Non Grata
    Because he was allegedly a security threat due to his ties with Hamas.

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    - however there probably weren't pages on a forum like this by Americans asking why someone was listed and banned. However when others do it suddenly we don't like free speech.
    I'm sure there was quite a fuss on this forum and many others when Cat Stevens was barred from entry. And that's fine, that sort of thing should be discussed. But it's NOT the same as the cases listed here. Cat Stevens was banned from the US for his (alleged) actions with terrorists; these people were banned from the UK for their words/thoughts.

    I agree that people who are banned from the US should be told why, and there should be an appeals process for those who feel they don't belong on the list. But that's a completely different issue.
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    Re: Michael Savage Banned In The U.K.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Because he was allegedly a security threat due to his ties with Hamas.



    I'm sure there was quite a fuss on this forum and many others when Cat Stevens was barred from entry. And that's fine, that sort of thing should be discussed. But it's NOT the same as the cases listed here. Cat Stevens was banned from the US for his (alleged) actions with terrorists; these people were banned from the UK for their words/thoughts.

    I agree that people who are banned from the US should be told why, and there should be an appeals process for those who feel they don't belong on the list. But that's a completely different issue.
    You could argue easily that if Cat Stevens was banned for alleged actions with terrorists (according to a 3rd party btw, so technically it is hearsay), then this savage and the freak preacher are banned for alleged inciting for violence against homosexuals and others. Same thing in reality.

    Like it or not, nations can ban anyone from entering their territory for what ever reason they see fit. It is their right. A nation can ban jews, muslims, mexicans, scottish, redheads, whites or people that are exactly 1 meter 60.. it is their right.. we can on the other hand ridicule them for doing what they did... that is our right.

    What this is about more than anything, is that finally the radical religious right in the US has been put in the same box as neo nazies and terrorists and deserved so if you ask me. Their aint much between the views of the radical religious right and the taliban.. it is mostly just in how they go about things. They both hate gays, divorce, people thinking for themselves and if the radical religious right could... would love to push women back in the kitchen.
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