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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Once again....Rumsfeld abandoned the NeoCon ideal when he supported the UN mission to contain Saddam Hussein rather than finish the job in 1991. He would later use the NeoCon ideal to criticize our UN obligation at a time when even President Clinton was looking for an excuse to rid the Middle East of him. However, deteriorating issues with our allies over the Hussein mission and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden took a back seat to Monika Lewinski.

    People like you chose to associate the blundering in Iraq to the NeoCon camp. NeoCons didn't screw it up. Rumsfeld did. All would have been fine had the living CENTCOM plan been used.

    By the way....antagonizing smilies...aggresive wording...what does all that do for you anyway?
    Do I need to explain everything to you? Smilies help show the emotion or attitude behind the words and as far as aggressive wording... unbunch your panties.

    So it's your position that Clinton would have gone to war with Iraq if only the ****birds in the repub party wouldn't have distracted Clinton with the Lewinski debacle?

    Rumsfeld is a neocon.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Once again....Rumsfeld abandoned the NeoCon ideal when he supported the UN mission to contain Saddam Hussein rather than finish the job in 1991. He would later use the NeoCon ideal to criticize our UN obligation at a time when even President Clinton was looking for an excuse to rid the Middle East of him. However, deteriorating issues with our allies over the Hussein mission and the hunt for Osama Bin Laden took a back seat to Monika Lewinski.

    People like you chose to associate the blundering in Iraq to the NeoCon camp. NeoCons didn't screw it up. Rumsfeld did. All would have been fine had the living CENTCOM plan been used.

    By the way....antagonizing smilies...aggresive wording...what does all that do for you anyway?
    Probably gives him a woody.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Do I need to explain everything to you? Smilies help show the emotion or attitude behind the words and as far as aggressive wording... unbunch your panties.

    So it's your position that Clinton would have gone to war with Iraq if only the ****birds in the repub party wouldn't have distracted Clinton with the Lewinski debacle?

    Rumsfeld is a neocon.
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    No he's not. He just signed onto the project, but he has historically been more of a conservative than foreign policy Neoconservatives. Also, if you wanted to use membership as criteria for being a Neoconservative, then this would be odd considering Kristol, Kagan, Fukuyama, etc etc etc had criticized Rumsfeld and called for his resignation while in the administration.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Yeah yeah yeah, catch up Gunny, we've already been through the whole "the correct definition of neocon" It's been clarified that since the brainless masses can't grasp the difference and hear "con" and can only connect it with conservatives. Therefore to prevent further confusion we'll agree that "neocon" refers to hard-right foreign policy of using the USAs military and economic power to spread democracy and/or to influence other countries (again using our military and economic power) to bend to our will. The first paragraph of the standard Wiki definition is as far as you need to go in the current use of the term. The use of the phrase "...bring liberalism..." above simply means more liberal than other countries. No one would dispute that the USA is more "liberal" than say.. Saudi Arabia. All caught up now?
    Not really. The wiki article is a travesty. Furthermore, many living neoconservatives also cannot agree upon that mission statement you so sarcastically delivered as fact.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    "Individuals like Wolfewitz and Rumsfeld applauded the mission to contain Hussein rather than behave as we preach in the 90's. They broke from the NeoCon agenda and behaved more along the lines of your kind of people. But by the end, Clinton was doing everything possible to get rid of Hussein while men like Rumsfeld clung to Party slavery and criticized the UN mission as if Clinton began it and they didn't initially support it. "

    Wolfowitz throughout his career had generally unified democratic idealism and practice-not happy with tyrannical regimes (whether or not they served the American interest). Wolfowitz during the H.W. years was very critical of containing Hussein in the style we had. He, Cheney, and Rowen proposed a plan that would have gone much further into Iraq (with being incredibly close to Baghdad) which would have even further weakened Hussein. The plan was tossed aside by the administration, and the administration called the cease-fire. Both Wolfowitz and Libby were upset that it was called off so soon.

    What seems to be most interesting is that while Wolfowitz and Cheney provided public support to what the administration had done (makes sense, being that they worked for the administration), Wolfowitz was quite a bit more willing to the idea of installing a democracy that would probably upset the Saudis whereas Cheney would not have supported it because of that. Much later in the 90s, however, Wolfowitz said with hindsight they should have done more destruction to Iraq so as to even further encourage an internal movement against Hussein.

    To me, Wolfowitz, despite knowledge about the power vacuum or difficulty that would have been created from a coup (American or Iraqi), kind of wanted it, but being a member of the first Bush administration probably influenced him to constantly dance around what to do with Saddam and Iraq. With some time away from the administration, the man could easily go with what he would have preferred.
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