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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Enhanced Interrogation Techniques is a buzz word people like you created to make it seem like something other than torture is going on. THAT is anti-American.
    It is the politically correct terminology of the right for what is torture.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by justone View Post
    He is not, - by definition, - as a member of the USMC.
    Not really up on military nick names, ehh?

    He has not been accused of any doing which would point to him not to be a gentleman, which is the main obligation of a member of the club. You are. You have been demonstrating that you have no ability to be gentlemen. You belong to the club which has no obligations, responsibilities, dues or duties to carry on or pay for the country. A duel between 2 of you is impossible. You are void of duties, obligations and responsibilities by definition.
    He acts like a chest thumping jar head so, I treat him as such. He says he is active duty yet, misstates unarguable facts re: the military in the same manner a Private would in trying to keep his nose firmly placed in his Top's butt.

    One thing he does not need is you defending him. He certainly is capable of doing that himself. So, go bark up another tree.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Really? We executed people after world war 2 for waterboarding? I'm gonna call bull**** and ask for citations. Please present them now.
    I found this while looking for your "citation" and thought it apropos:
    Correction: U.S. actually did execute Japanese soldiers for waterboarding | Crooks and Liars

    We made a mistake the other day when Paul Begala left Ari Fleischer dumbstruck by saying:

    BEGALA: We -- our country executed Japanese soldiers who water- boarded American POWs. We executed them for the same crime that we are now committing ourselves. How do you defend that?

    We chided Begala slightly because we thought he wasn't quite right on the facts:

    Actually, Fleischer could have countered Begala by pointing out that we didn't actually execute the Japanese soldiers convicted of the war crime of waterboarding American prisoners -- we just sentenced them to 15 years' hard labor.

    But now, Begala makes clear he knew whereof he spoke:

    But I was not referring to Asano, nor was my source Sen. Kennedy. Instead I was referencing the statement of a different member of the Senate: John McCain. On November 29, 2007, Sen. McCain, while campaigning in St. Petersburg, Florida, said, "Following World War II war crime trials were convened. The Japanese were tried and convicted and hung for war crimes committed against American POWs. Among those charges for which they were convicted was waterboarding."

    Sen. McCain was right and the National Review Online is wrong. Politifact, the St. Petersburg Times' truth-testing project (which this week was awarded a Pulitzer Prize), scrutinized Sen. McCain's statement and found it to be true. Here's the money quote from Politifact:

    "McCain is referencing the Tokyo Trials, officially known as the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. After World War II, an international coalition convened to prosecute Japanese soldiers charged with torture. At the top of the list of techniques was water-based interrogation, known variously then as 'water cure,' 'water torture' and 'waterboarding,' according to the charging documents. It simulates drowning." Politifact went on to report, "A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps."

    The folks at Politifact interviewed R. John Pritchard, the author of The Tokyo War Crimes Trial: The Complete Transcripts of the Proceedings of the International Military Tribunal for the Far East. They also interviewed Yuma Totani, history professor at the University of Nevada-Las Vegas, and consulted the Columbia Journal of Transnational Law, which published a law review article entitled, "Drop by Drop: Forgetting the History of Water Torture in U.S. Courts."

    We apologize to Begala for the error.

    We'll be waiting a long time, I expect, for all those right-wingers out there who claim waterboarding isn't torture to apologize to the world.
    PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

    Seems that original documents on the trials are difficult to find (I assume you looked and couldn't find them too which is why you suddenly ask for citations after 11 pages of discussion)

    In a recent journal essay, Judge Evan Wallach, a member of the U.S. Court of International Trade and an adjunct professor in the law of war, writes that the testimony from American soldiers about this form of torture was gruesome and convincing. A number of the Japanese soldiers convicted by American judges were hanged, while others received lengthy prison sentences or time in labor camps.
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    I call bull**** on your bull****.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    With all the detailed and obvious malicious condescension, insult, and eagerness to provoke argument and rule infractions between the two of you (Slope and ADK), I bet you would see yourself as "victims" if I did my job against you, huh?

    Just curious.
    Is that some kind of a threat? Are you threatening to "report" us to the mods? OMG! If that is what that intentionally vague question means... then be my guest. The mods will do their job.

    If you mean something else then I invite you to either spit it out or pm me. I don't respond well to threats, regardless of your military status!

    It seems to me that you can't stand being challenged for your inaccurate and biased comments. I suggest you get over it. People get called for their posts here all day every day.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    I found this while looking for your "citation" and thought it apropos:

    PolitiFact | History supports McCain's stance on waterboarding

    Seems that original documents on the trials are difficult to find (I assume you looked and couldn't find them too which is why you suddenly ask for citations after 11 pages of discussion)
    I call bull**** on your bull****.
    Your own source says that waterboarding was among war crimes. Not the war crime they were convicted of.

    So my call of bull**** on you stands.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Reverend_Hellh0und View Post
    Torture is a buzz word people like you like to throw around in your anti-American tirades.


    I feel so bad for them poor terrorists.

    bit-tech.net | Guantanamo game announced


    This one not only was released, then rejoined jihad, but now is helping develop a game. seems he survived "torture"....
    I see nothing in that article that says this guy "rejoined the jihad". Could you help me here?

    "But no US or British soldiers get killed in [the game]. The only ones being killed are mercenaries. We have set it in January 2010 because thatís when we think the camp will be closed. We are making a statement. We did not want Guantanamo to be forgotten."

    Begg, who was at Guantanamo for more than three years, has admitted he has a financial stake in the project but says his primary concern is ensuring a fair representation of the prisoners.

    "I was put in solitary confinement with no access to the outside world and no explanation as to why I was being detained," Begg said. "My wife gave birth to my son six months after I was arrested and I saw him for the first time when he was three years old. It would be wrong to say Iím not angry but Iím willing to forgive 1000 times over."

    "The only thing I am concerned about it making sure the game does not misrepresent the prisoners. This will not demean the reality of Guantanamo but it could bring those issues to people who would not usually think about it."
    Well, this certainly goes to show that you should be very careful who you kidnap, imprison, rendition to GITMO and then torture! This guy looks to be innocent of all terrorist charges. After all, Bush let him go. Now, he is going to remind the world about what Bush, and the USA, did to him.

    Do you still think it was it worth kidnapping and torturing this "innocent" man?
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    "My wife gave birth to my son six months after I was arrested and I saw him for the first time when he was three years old. It would be wrong to say Iím not angry but Iím willing to forgive 1000 times over."
    Oh i couldn't going through that, how horrible

    He is a much better human being than i ever could be, i wouldn't be willing to forgive anyone who stopped me from seeing my child for years and tortured me o.O


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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Is that some kind of a threat? Are you threatening to "report" us to the mods? OMG! If that is what that intentionally vague question means... then be my guest. The mods will do their job.

    If you mean something else then I invite you to either spit it out or pm me. I don't respond well to threats, regardless of your military status!

    It seems to me that you can't stand being challenged for your inaccurate and biased comments. I suggest you get over it. People get called for their posts here all day every day.
    He is a mod and WILL use his position.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    He is a mod and WILL use his position.
    But not in any unfair way during a debate. He, unlike some, has integrity.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    But not in any unfair way during a debate. He, unlike some, has integrity.
    I could prove you wrong but it would probably get me in trouble. PM me if you REALLY care, because I save my PMs for just such occasions.

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