Page 38 of 48 FirstFirst ... 283637383940 ... LastLast
Results 371 to 380 of 475

Thread: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanistan

  1. #371
    Meh...
    MSgt's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jun 2005
    Location
    Colorado
    Last Seen
    Today @ 11:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Independent
    Posts
    18,056

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Yeah, but the other side of that coin is, how long do you think the command knew about what was going on in Abu Ghraib before those pictures leaked out?

    You can't bull**** people who have been in the military, I've seen plenty of things swept under the rug for various reasons.
    Who's bull ****ting? Things get swept under the rug in every arena and in every organization. This Bible issue will get swept as the offenders are told to stop. There will be no Court Martials and no NJPs over this. Oversight exists and the fact remains that this was an individual issue, not an organizational mission. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    As for Abu-Ghraib, this is what we get for putting the Army Reserve National Guard in charge of anything outside our borders. Civilians in uniform (far from actually being "the military") were to blame. They should have never been in that position and they were removed as soon as military people outside the prison became aware (thanks to the pictures). But this is further proof of how things get blown out of proportion by our own Western whiners. Despite the obvious frat party behaviors of those soldiers, their behavior was labeled as "torture." Just like a few Bible issuers are supposed to define a "military" event.


    And by the way...you do realize that using the childish smilies to wave your ass in people's faces as if you "win" is exactly why you find yourself in negative situations with people don't you?
    Last edited by MSgt; 05-10-09 at 05:33 PM.

    MSgt
    Semper Fidelis
    USMC

  2. #372
    Banned
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    Los Angeles, CA
    Last Seen
    02-16-11 @ 08:57 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Centrist
    Posts
    36,915
    Blog Entries
    2

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Since you have no reasonable counter argument you resort to ad homs. Typical.
    What is there to counter? You present nothing more than rabid hateful opinion that is so far off the mark as to be nothing more than an ill-thought fairy tale. Or a schizophrenic laden fantasy. It's kind of hard to tell the difference with your posts.

  3. #373
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    What? try keeping up with the part of the discussion that you're responding to.
    ad hom
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  4. #374
    Professor
    WillRockwell's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jan 2009
    Last Seen
    07-10-10 @ 09:48 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Undisclosed
    Posts
    1,950

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post

    As for Abu-Ghraib, this is what we get for putting the Army Reserve National Guard in charge of anything outside our borders. Civilians in uniform (far from actually being "the military") were to blame. They should have never been in that position and they were removed as soon as military people outside the prison became aware (thanks to the pictures). But this is further proof of how things get blown out of proportion by our own Western whiners. Despite the obvious frat party behaviors of those soldiers, their behavior was labeled as "torture." Just like a few Bible issuers are supposed to define a "military" event.
    Do you not understand that the activity documented in the Abu Ghraib photos was ordered by the White House, then covered up when the photos became public?

  5. #375
    Tavern Bartender
    Constitutionalist
    American's Avatar
    Join Date
    Mar 2006
    Location
    Virginia
    Last Seen
    12-15-17 @ 10:49 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Conservative
    Posts
    76,323

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Do you not understand that the activity documented in the Abu Ghraib photos was ordered by the White House, then covered up when the photos became public?
    What's the topic have to do with this?
    "He who does not think himself worth saving from poverty and ignorance by his own efforts, will hardly be thought worth the efforts of anybody else." -- Frederick Douglass, Self-Made Men (1872)
    "Fly-over" country voted, and The Donald is now POTUS.

  6. #376
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    in a neocon's craw
    Last Seen
    04-24-17 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    2,801

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Well, despite it being improper, it is not that bad. But such things are never the end of the discussion. People here are arguing that the "military" shouldn't do such things and that the "military" should not be endorse such things. The argument goes from a few indivuduals behaving badly to the entire military behaving as if on a religious crusade. It's the same self-righteous, self-flaggelation that Westerners do that offers comfort and validity to our enemiss false and exaggerated accusations.

    1) They accuse of exaggerated behavior.

    2) The ignorant in the West fall all over themselves to be the first to agree that such behavior is bad.

    3) The accusers in the Middle East now report on how Westerners also are amiss over such American military behavior.

    The non-issue, used to stir the uneducated and ignorant oppressed Middle Eastern masses, now becomes an issue all because Westerners haven't the abililty to step back and place things into perspectives before they run off at the mouth. The worse is when our own media rushes to validate non-issues.

    It continues to be a non-story.
    "The Crusade for a Christian Military": Are US Forces Trying to Convert Afghans to Christianity?

    <script type="text/javascript" src="http://www.democracynow.org/embed_show_v1/300/2009/5/6/segment/3"></script>

    t r u t h o u t | Military Evangelism Deeper, Wider Than First Thought

    Anderson Cooper 360: Blog Archive - The U.S. Christian military? - Blogs from CNN.com

    Christian Fundamentalism as a Instrument of US Military Doctrine

    Building God's (Christian) Army | War on Iraq | AlterNet

    Chris Rodda: U.S. Military Now in the Christian Reality TV Business -- Putting Muslim Interpreters in Christmas Pageants

    Air Force Eases Rules on Religion

    Cadets for Christ: evangelization at the Air Force Academy | Christian Century | Find Articles at BNET


    How many more links to stories do you need before you realize the problem is bigger and more wide spread than you think or wish to admit? There are a lot more...

  7. #377
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    in a neocon's craw
    Last Seen
    04-24-17 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    2,801

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The fact is that Bush started the cuts and the cut backs in the post Cold War era. Clinton continued this behavior even as he exhausted the under funded military from one crisis to another and embarked on the notion that contracting out was best for the military and our defense. The ironic thing is that people assumed that Clinton's defense spending went towards the military instead of the corporations who were building high tech toys the military didn't need. Bush Jr. was well into continuing this behavior until 9/11.

    These are the facts. If you weren't so eager to protect Democrats as if you owe something to them then you would have realized that this is a Washington thing...not an individual President thing. Perhaps if I mentioned "Republican" when I spoke of Bush or pretended that 8 years of the last decade wasn't under a Democratic President, but really a secret Republican President, you would have enjoyed your partisan position more.

    You want to be a Democrat? Own its negative side too.
    Don't forge the massive military cuts under Reagan.

  8. #378
    Banned
    Join Date
    Aug 2008
    Location
    in a neocon's craw
    Last Seen
    04-24-17 @ 10:55 PM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Liberal
    Posts
    2,801

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Who's bull ****ting? Things get swept under the rug in every arena and in every organization. This Bible issue will get swept as the offenders are told to stop. There will be no Court Martials and no NJPs over this. Oversight exists and the fact remains that this was an individual issue, not an organizational mission. You are arguing for the sake of arguing.

    As for Abu-Ghraib, this is what we get for putting the Army Reserve National Guard in charge of anything outside our borders. Civilians in uniform (far from actually being "the military") were to blame. They should have never been in that position and they were removed as soon as military people outside the prison became aware (thanks to the pictures). But this is further proof of how things get blown out of proportion by our own Western whiners. Despite the obvious frat party behaviors of those soldiers, their behavior was labeled as "torture." Just like a few Bible issuers are supposed to define a "military" event.


    And by the way...you do realize that using the childish smilies to wave your ass in people's faces as if you "win" is exactly why you find yourself in negative situations with people don't you?
    Right, it's all the reservists fault.

  9. #379
    activist professor Inferno's Avatar
    Join Date
    May 2009
    Location
    Tipping Velvet
    Last Seen
    07-01-09 @ 02:05 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Very Liberal
    Posts
    2,017

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Our military has no business spreading any faith. They should most certainly not be spreading it under orders or even suggestion from the higher ups.
    Democracy is the road to socialism. Karl Marx
    Life member NY city Fisting Club!
    I am Zoochie Purple Quivering Ghost Bear a Tiki Bar Tarte, you want some of my Panties.

  10. #380
    Sage
    jamesrage's Avatar
    Join Date
    Jul 2005
    Location
    A place where common sense exists
    Last Seen
    Today @ 06:00 AM
    Gender
    Lean
    Slightly Conservative
    Posts
    31,078

    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Afghan ’convert’ row stirs calls for inquiry

    It is not clear whether the Bibles were distributed to Afghans, but Hughes said that none of the people he recorded in a series of sermons and Bible study classes appeared able to speak Pashto or Dari. Hughes said: "The only reason they would have these documents there was to distribute them to the Afghan people, and I knew it was wrong, and I knew that filming it É documenting it would be important."

    It was not clear if the presence of the Bibles and practice of calling on soldiers to be "witnesses" for Jesus continues, but they were filmed a year ago despite regulations by the U.S. military. In another piece of footage, the chaplains appeared to understand their actions were in breach of a regulation known as General Order No. 1.

    "Do we know what it means to proselytize?" Cap. Emmit Furner, a military chaplain, asked the gathering. "It is General Order No. 1," an unidentified soldier replied. But Watt said: "You can't proselytize, but you can give gifts."
    It is nothing more than anti-military and pussy antiwar hogwash meant to demonize the military. There might be a few isolated incidences of a few soldiers trying to proselytize just like there are few incidences of solders committing crimes or soldiers dropping gum on the ground but it is absolutely absurd to say the US military as a whole is doing these things. I am sure somewhere in the 300 plus post of this thread this has been pointed out.

    This is like that story of some douch bag claiming the military discriminated against him because he is an atheist.
    Last edited by jamesrage; 05-11-09 at 04:03 PM.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

Page 38 of 48 FirstFirst ... 283637383940 ... LastLast

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •