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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    God damn you leftists.
    Wow...Jesus and Jeremiah Wright must be awful proud of you right about now.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    Wow...Jesus and Jeremiah Wright must be awful proud of you right about now.
    Jesus wasn't a Black Liberation Theologist. Chances are he would agree with me that our military did nothing wrong. Damning a bad thing, isn't bad.

    On the other hand, Wright would crap little puppies. And damn America anyway.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I dislike attitudes like this sometimes.
    It has the high and mighty feel behind it.
    Its the idea that the only way is our way.

    I don't care what the Afghans human rights record are, hell. I don't care what they do to their people.
    Lets finish the job we have been dragged in to do and get the hell out that god forsaken country before we lose more soldiers.
    Its not our way, its the right way. The socially and morally correct way. Having freedom isnt just part of western culture. Its a dream on a global scale. Its part of everybodies culture by instinct. Its something that everybody wants and should all have. Its something that must be highly valued and encouraged. Its not something that should be ignored, even in the name of soveriegn. Im sorry, but to occupy a country is a huge violation of soviergn anyway. Following and swearing by human rights and freedom isnt that aweful, and that attitude doesnt seem to stink at all. Its high time we stop being hypocrits by going around encouraging human rights when we insist on not practising it abroad. Lets scrap the politically correct BS and acknowledge that yes, this may violate Afghanistans already seriously violated soviereign, but this is not random policy issues, this is human rights.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    You people ought to spend more time backing our boys and girls and less time convicting them based on foreign propaganda the like of Al Jeezee.
    There was a video where active military personnel had bibles written in the native language (not English) and they were talking about handing them out and how you had to call it "gifts" because otherwise it would be taken a proselytizing. That's not propaganda, that happened; recorded and measured. Now, the military has to figure out if those bibles were ever really handed out. That's it. If they were handed out, a crime was committed; if not then there was no crime. End of story. You're just getting pissed off because it's blatantly clear to everyone and their dog that you were trying to endorse an illegal activity. I'm not going to back the government when it wields its power unethically or illegally. Why should I? If the military acts improperly, that needs to be corrected. End of story. Control of the government, proper action of the government is very important and we must insist that it be followed.

    You just want emotional tirades about the enemy and blah blah blah I have to accept something because it happened to be performed by the military. No, if a platoon of our soldiers captured and shot up a bunch of kids (not saying this happened, just making an extreme example) I'd say that's improper and that there needs to be investigation/punishment. I'm not going to accept improper behavior just because through happenstance it came out of our military. There is a code of conduct, there are rules and restrictions, and it is expected that those rules are adhered to; should there be deviation from that it must be punished. That's it, end of story. No trying to endorse illegal activities, no emotional grandstanding. Improper action must be restricted, it must be investigated, and if found true must be punished.

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    Wow, I can't believe you leftists crap on our military like that.
    No one is crapping on the military. This is appeal to emotion, and a dumb one at that. All that's being said is that there are rules, those rules need to be followed, if it comes to light that rules may have been violated an investigation is warranted, if that investigation turns up anything punishment is warranted. That's it. You're pissed off and crying because it happens to be against an illegal action you endorse, proselytizing through the military. Which is a very stupid, very dangerous practice if aggregated over the whole of the military. It's time to stop being stupid and actually figuring out what's being said here. It's nothing egregious, it's merely holding responsibility and proper action to the government and demanding proper behavior out of our military.

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    God Bless our military, God damn you leftists.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by kaya'08 View Post
    Its not our way, its the right way. The socially and morally correct way. Having freedom isnt just part of western culture. Its a dream on a global scale. Its part of everybodies culture by instinct. Its something that everybody wants and should all have. Its something that must be highly valued and encouraged.
    While all this is true, IMO, I'd also say that bringing freedom and democracy to others is not our charge. It is the responsibility of the People of a country to come together and fight for their own freedom. Only then can the real burdens of freedom and liberty be realized and fought for and kept. Given freedom will quickly be squandered. And as rightful government can only rightfully rule so long as it has consent of the governed, the only proper government we have influence and control over is the United States government. Other people, they have to worry about themselves and fight for themselves. These things can't generally be delivered.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    While all this is true, IMO, I'd also say that bringing freedom and democracy to others is not our charge.
    Im talking about NATO personnel, if they want to excercise there basic human rights yet such a thing is illegal in Afghanistan, then forget abiding by that shi*t and do it anyway. Abroad or not, military personnel should have all there human rights protected and given the freedom to excercise such rights, abroad or not.

    And Ikari, you say this;
    While all this is true, IMO, I'd also say that bringing freedom and democracy to others is not our charge.
    Yet the Americans seem to be doing the exact opposite. With all due respect, despite what you say, your military is bringing freedom, and democracy (or at least is trying to). Look at Iraq. Ill give it a few before they start implementing the same policies they did in Iraq to create its democracy there.
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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    There was a video where active military personnel had bibles written in the native language (not English) and they were talking about handing them out and how you had to call it "gifts" because otherwise it would be taken a proselytizing. That's not propaganda, that happened; recorded and measured.
    So all the leftists are full of crap. Got it. Just like I thought.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    While all this is true, IMO, I'd also say that bringing freedom and democracy to others is not our charge.
    I disagree. There's much dispute about whether we should ever be engaged in nation building at all. That has yet to stop us.

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by DamnYankee View Post
    So all the leftists are full of crap. Got it. Just like I thought.
    Could you please just try for a little substance?

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    Re: U.S. soldiers encouraged to spread message of their Christian faith in Afghanista

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
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    Damn you Americans and your burgers and to die for chips.
    If you ever come to Chicago you're in trouble. By the way, McDonalds sucks.

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