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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    As best I understand it Guantanamo Bay Naval Base itself is not being closed(I served with some one who had been there, and said the area is beautiful by the way), only the detention center. A detention center to hold people indefinitely is not necessary in my opinion, and has been a PR disaster throughout the world.
    I'm well aware of all this. It does not answer the question. Prisons are not about PR. Should we investigate other prisons as well? Hold people indefinitely is a policy, not a physical building issue. This is all posturing by idiot politicians pandering to leftwing extremists who don't know what they're talking about.
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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You are right, sorry. There are large areas of information about Gitmo that are classified. He had limited access to this information I believe. Since this information is classified, I do not know what it is.
    How does this have any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners?

    And, again:
    And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him to make that prmoise?

    As for the rest, he ordered Gitmo closed, and to the best of our knowledge, it will close. It is premature to suggest he is going back on a campaign promise.
    As of this point, it is NOT closing.

    Oh, and Obama does not have absolute control of congressional democrats, much as he might like it, nor should he.
    Then, getting back to to the OP -- what do you think of those Congressmen that put their personal and partisan power over "the right thing to do"?

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    I'm well aware of all this. It does not answer the question. Prisons are not about PR. Should we investigate other prisons as well? Hold people indefinitely is a policy, not a physical building issue. This is all posturing by idiot politicians pandering to leftwing extremists who don't know what they're talking about.
    If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?
    They still need to be held somewhere.
    Why move them, other than to appease the whiners?

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    How does this have any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners?

    And, again:
    And if you're right, don't you think it was rather imprudent of Him to make that prmoise?
    You do not understand how not having full access to certain information has a bearing in determining how long it will take to do something? By the way, I also just found this while doing a quick scan for more information on this subject: Guantanamo Case Files in Disarray. How exactly could he know in advance that the case file system would cause things to take longer than expected? It's a classic case of why every government project ends up taking longer and costing more than projected.

    And again, he has not gone back on his promise. To the best of our knowledge, Gitmo is still going to close, as promised.

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    They still need to be held somewhere.
    Why move them, other than to appease the whiners?
    We do not have enough prisons outside of Gitmo?

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    If we are not holding the prisoners indefinitely any more, what need do we have for the facility?
    Oh, so they are planning to just let them go?
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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    We do not have enough prisons outside of Gitmo?
    You didnt answer my question.
    Why move them? The whining isnt about where we hold them, its about not giving them trials. Why NOT just keep them there until that point?

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    You do not understand how not having full access to certain information has a bearing in determining how long it will take to do something?
    I'll take this as you admitting you have no idea how 'not having ernough information' has any bearing whatsoever on being able to close the prison and move the prisoners. Thanks.

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    Re: Democrats drop funds to close Gitmo

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    You didnt answer my question.
    Why move them? The whining isnt about where we hold them, its about not giving them trials. Why NOT just keep them there until that point?
    It looks like they'll let these terrorists go, so we don't need Gitmo...I think that's what he means.
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