I had to put my hip waders on for this pile of revisionist bile.
Tell me something, do you EVER address the topic of the thread or what is being discussed? None of this wordy blather even deals with my arguments about regarding your asinine assertions of Bush lying us into war. But then, the desperate desire to avoid your original asinine assertions and wallow in a circle of futility is hardly new for you is it? So aside from the fact that you REFUSE to address the FACTS I stated to dispute your asinine assertions about Bush lies, I will simplify your wordy blather here for you.
So where do we start? With your complete lack of knowledge about why very little action was taken under the Clinton watch? ……..Don't sit here and tell me Clinton didn't do anything. Clinton tried but was rebuffed by the Pentagon. You know why you don't hear about this? Because had we went after Khalid Sheik Mohammed in Khartoum when Clinton asked the Pentagon to, had we struck at Al Qaeda camps when Clinton asked the Pentagon to...we might not have suffered the attacks on 9/11.
None of the above addresses my response to your asinine statement that Bush lied us into war but rather wordy excuse making on the lack of leadership from the Clinton White House.
This pretty much summarizes your wordy attempts to obfuscate the facts:
Don't sit here and tell me Clinton didn't do anything. Clinton tried but was rebuffed by the Pentagon.
BS; One has to willingly suspend their disbelief to believe in the notion that the President can be rebuffed by the Pentagon. He is the freaking Commander and Chief. Rather than make your case, this statement alone makes mine that Clinton failed massively as a leader and instead ran the Whitehouse as a popular opinion poll while getting a blow job.
Once more the above wordy blather has NOTHING to do with your asinine assertion that Bush lied us into war. Bravo, another wordy pile of nonsense to avoid the original farcical assertions you made.
But why did the Pentagon refuse you might ask?
No one cares why you THINK the Pentagon can refuse their Commander and Chief; that is nonsensical BS that can only be believed by the uninformed and the gullible. It is idiotic to suggest that if the President commands the Pentagon to carry out his strategy, the Pentagon can say; “no, we’re not going to.”
Good lord, get a grip on reality dude.
Fast forward to Bill Clinton's years in office. The structure of the JCS prevented Clinton from "ordering" Delta or SEAL team operations, all he could do was request the Pentagon to develop a plan to achieve an end. The result he got back were force heavy, overt military operations that required major funding and resources positioning. There would be no element of surprise here. At that time those were not options the military or the President wanted to exercise. But you seem contented to hide in your world of partisan hackery and inject little gems like "he was too busy getting his dick sucked" instead of speaking with any actually command of the subject. There is the difference between you and I. I know what I am talking about, you just know you are talking and that's all you care about.
There is a VAST difference between you and I; I stay on topic and you wander into a wonderland of Clinton excuse making and historic diatribes that have NOTHING to do with your original asinine assertion that Bush lied us into war with Iraq. Your desperate diatribes don’t address any of the FACTS I shared illustrating just how asinine your assertions are and merely wander all over the political countryside looking for a purpose.
The FACT is that Clinton spent much of his time avoiding any REAL decision making and avoided any opportunities to eliminate Osama and conduct offensive efforts against Al Qaeda because he was MORE concerned about popular opinion polls than he was about actually LEADING and protecting American interests and lives.
Clinton ignored what was occurring in Afghanistan and ignored the Taliban’s take over of the Government of Afghanistan after the Soviets were ejected.
Clinton spent most of his time in office castrating the intelligence capabilities of this country and gutting the Military to achieve the cuts in Government he and Gore promised.
Here are a few good books on this topic:
The Clinton scandal America can't afford to ignore
New Autographed Edition!
Betrayal (autographed)
by Bill Gertz
Renowned Washington Times defense reporter Bill Gertz accessed classified government documents and confidential sources to expose a national security nightmare of frightening proportions. Bill Clinton's foreign policy has weakened our military and undermined our national defense
Blinded vigilance: How Deutch and Tenet helped weaken the CIA prior to 9/11
by J. Michael Waller
Insight magazine, October 15, 2001
The point to all this I just typed? To show you that I don't need to cut and paste from the internet, as you so frequently do without quoting the source. I know much of this because I've studied it, intently, from many angles.
There was no point to all your obfuscation other than to avoid addressing the comments I made to illustrate your asinine nonsense about Bush lying us into war.
When are you going to actually address my comments in rebuttal to your typically uninformed notions of history and the events leading up to Iraq?
Lesson for the day? Read a book son.
Here’s a far better list for reading than your worship of Richard Clarke; read some REAL book “son.”
Losing Bin Laden: How Bill Clinton's Failures Unleashed Global Terror
by Richard Miniter
An End to Evil: How to Win the War on Terror (Hardcover)
by David Frum (Author), Richard Perle (Author) "WE TOO LIVE in trying times-and thus far our fellow Americans have passed every test..." (more)
Blah, blah, blah...more bloviating from the resident hyper partisan spam machine. Instead of cackling, why don't you actually articulate your argument here? I see no substance...just you yammering as usual.
More kindergarten blather; speaking of nonsensical yammering, when are you going to PROVE your asinine assertions about Bush lying us into the war in Iraq and address my comments?
The only thing more laughable about your essay above is the fact that it contains NOTHING that supports your asinine assertion that Bush lied us into war.
So what your saying is that from the Clinton administration of the 90's and the situation in 2003, prior to the invasion...things had changed. Cool, that's exactly what I was saying. The inspectors were back in and they were advising us not to invade. Gee, sounds like a change to me. Glad we could agree on this. :rofl
Apparently in your desperate attempt to AVOID my response to the asinine assertion that Bush lied us into war you didn’t read much of what I posted; if you had, you would have had a more coherent response to it and not wandered so far off topic you can’t remember what it is that is being debated.
What I am saying is that during Clinton’s failure to lead, Saddam continued defying the UN resolutions and there was no solid evidence that Saddam had indeed destroyed known WMDs and was not attempting to re-constitute his efforts to develop a nuclear weapon.
What I am saying is that Saddam kicked out the inspectors during Clinton’s failure to lead and did not allow them back in until Bush had assembled a HUGE military coalition force on his borders.
What I am saying, and you are refusing to hear, is that even after that, Saddam continued to defy the inspectors and the coalition regardless of the ramifications if he did not comply.
What I am saying is that unlike your asinine assertions that there was a RUSH to war and that Bush lied us into war, it was a long process of obfuscation, denials and deliberate attempts to obstruct UN efforts to ensure that Saddam complied with his agreements and the EVIDENCE the Bush Administration believed was IDENTICAL to the PREVIOUS administration and that Bush’s statements were IDENTICAL to the Democrats and the PREVIOUS administration.
Your desperate attempts to avoid those FACTS don’t make your wordy blather above a credible substitute for substance.
So with all that, when are you going to address the FACTS I posted that refute your original asinine assertion that Bush somehow lied us into war?
I would suggest that you don't let your hyper partisan gland flare ups dictate your posting. You get yourself all caught up in your mess making and look really silly.
I would suggest that you don’t let your Liberal denial dictate your attempts to avoid substantive debate and attempt to obfuscate your original asinine assertions which require the willful suspension of disbelief.
Your laughable attempts to avoid substance are only exceeded by the laughable notion that OTHERS are acting like partisans ASSuming yours are not; it more the POT calling the KETTLE black.