And Clinton didn't say "Saddam has WMD's." He said we were attacking to degrade his capability to produce them. He said that Saddam wasn't cooperating with attempts to determine if he actually had WMD's. He said Saddam has used them in the past, and Clinton believed that he would use them again if he were allowed to obtain them.
All this was in 1998. Things had changed as of 2003. The IAEA and our CSG were urging restraint and vigorously advising against invasion. Our intelligence communities could not confirm that he had WMD's, period. There wasn't any solid evidence to support the claim that Saddam had WMD's. It was never presented to the U.S., it has still not been presented. If you look at what information was cited as "evidence" for justifying the invasion it was incredibly suspect at best.
So don't fall back on Bill Clinton to try and justify George Bush's actions. They are absolutely different times, different circumstances, and different responses. One does not vindicate the other. It matters not what Clinton said then, but what Bush did when he did it.
Iraq WMDSen. Joseph Biden Liberal Democrat -Del., Sept 4, 2002 - If we wait for the danger from Saddham to become clear, it could be too late.
Sen. Hillary Clinton, Liberal Democrat - NY, Feb 5, 2003 - Iraq both poses a continuing threat to the national security of the United States and international peace and security in the Persian Gulf region and remains in material and unacceptable breach of its international obligations by, among other things, continuing to possess and develop a significant chemical and biological weapons capability, actively seeking a nuclear weapons capability, and supporting and harboring terrorist organizations.
Sen. Joseph Lieberman, Democrat -CT, Sept 4, 2002 - Every day Saddam remains in power with chemical weapons, biological weapons, and the development of nuclear weapons is a day of danger for the United States.
But again, I see you falling back on others to try and mitigate the lies and mistakes of George W. Bush. "But Joe said..." doesn't float. Joe got his info from the White House.
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For those who continue the lame old argument that Bush was 'secretly' planning to oust Saddam before he took office, perhaps they should revisit the Iraq Liberation Act of 1998, which stated:
One could surmise that Congress was 'planning' Bush's strategy years before Bush was elected. Of course reasonable people examine the history, the context, and the perceived level of risk when presidents make difficult and controversial decisions. Partisans simply shout 'liar.'"It is the sense of the Congress that once the Saddam Hussein regime is removed from power in Iraq, the United States should support Iraq's transition to democracy by providing immediate and substantial humanitarian assistance to the Iraqi people, by providing democracy transition assistance to Iraqi parties and movements with democratic goals, and by convening Iraq's foreign creditors to develop a multilateral response to Iraq's foreign debt incurred by Saddam Hussein's regime."
This in no way predicated Bush's act of war, utilizing U.S. forces. The intent of the act was to support regime change from within Iraq, not an invasion of Iraq.The Act also said that:
Nothing in this Act shall be construed to authorize or otherwise speak to the use of United States Armed Forces (except as provided in section 4(a)(2)) in carrying out this Act.
Section 4(a)(2) states:
The President is authorized to direct the drawdown of defense articles from the stocks of the Department of Defense, defense services of the Department of Defense, and military education and training for [Iraqi democratic opposition] organizations.
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Followed by the Iraq War Resolution, approved with overwhelming majorities in both House and Senate, which authorized President Bush to use the Armed Forces of the United States "as he determines to be necessary and appropriate" in order to "defend the national security of the United States against the continuing threat posed by Iraq; and enforce all relevant United Nations Security Council Resolutions regarding Iraq."