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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Ah, no it's about a President who either knew what he was doing and that it was wrong or was too stupid to know it was wrong or was fine with letting someone else be the actual "decider". Take your pick.
    All 3! Actually, the biggest was that he was a spoiled brat who never had to make his own way in the world. He walked around with that silver spoon in his mouth and ran our country into the ground with his tantrums.

    That idiot had no idea what our U.S. Constitution was all about. As governor of Texas he declared "Jesus Day in Texas"! Ya think that conflicts with the Constitution... or what?!?!?!
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    All 3! Actually, the biggest was that he was a spoiled brat who never had to make his own way in the world. He walked around with that silver spoon in his mouth and ran our country into the ground with his tantrums.

    That idiot had no idea what our U.S. Constitution was all about. As governor of Texas he declared "Jesus Day in Texas"! Ya think that conflicts with the Constitution... or what?!?!?!
    That prompted a wiki search:

    Jesus Day is a common term for the day of the March for Jesus held annually by some Christians on the Saturday before Pentecost Sunday, since the 1980s, with the purpose of showing their love of Jesus by "serving their communities and worshiping their Lord in the streets of their cities."[1]

    In the United States in 2000, George W. Bush, then-Governor of Texas, signed a bill from the Texas Legislature that proclaimed June 10 of that year to be Jesus Day (following the lead of many other states and cities in the United States). The event was observed in Austin that year. The Texas proclamation urged people to "follow the example of Jesus" to "answer the call to serve those in need". The proclamation received national attention when the New York Times ran an article on it.[2] Since then, it has been widely and erroneously implied or asserted that Jesus Day is an invention of George Bush, that it was singular to the state of Texas, or that it is/was an official Texas state holiday held annually.
    [ame=http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesus_Day]Jesus Day - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia[/ame]

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Are you trying to make a point?
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Are you trying to make a point?
    Well I read your little rant and thought WTF? The crazy silver spoon mouthed mofo lost his religious marbles and wildly declared a Jesus Day in TX???

    Once I googled it the wiki explanation sounded a bit less crazy and so I figured I save others the trouble of also going, huh? and having to do their own googling.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    The truest statement in there was "I have decided". But, the entire statement should have been "Back when I was thinking of running for President of the United States I decided, if I won, I was going to invade Iraq. I will show what a big, strong War President I am and show my daddy that I could do one thing in my life that better than he did. (Didn't I almost look like a fighter pilot in that jumpsuit under my Mission Accomplished banner?) I was just lucky that 9/11 happened."
    Why would President Clinton make a speech about his daddy, a Mission Accomplished banner, and 9/11 back in 1998?


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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Why would President Clinton make a speech about his daddy, a Mission Accomplished banner, and 9/11 back in 1998?
    Lame. Real lame.
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Lame. Real lame.
    What's lamer is that Bush bashers brush this under the rug. The existence of WMD were 'Bush' lies. Forget about the fact that President Clinton said 'exactly the same thing' for years.

    [ame="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ENAV_UoIfgc"]YouTube - President Clinton orders attack on Iraq[/ame]

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    Iraq had been non-compliant with UN resolutions going back over a decade before Bush decided to take him out.
    And what exactly did those violations amount to? We are talking about sacrificing American lives and hundreds of billions of dollars for what? Oh he broke the rules. So? Did violating those U.N. resolutions make him a bona fide threat to the region, to the world....as Bush so aggressively marketed? No, they did not. Some of you seem to think that simply because we can, we should. Do you know what resolutions he actually violated and to what degree?

    I personally wouldn't be surprised at all if there was a plan to go into Iraq right from the get go. Saddam violated one UN resolution after another for years and years reducing the UN to an impotent irrelevant powerless joke.
    The U.N., by it's very nature, is an impotent, irrelevant, powerless joke. Again, what resolutions did he violate that warranted the destruction we wrought upon that country and all the American lives that were lost?

    If Saddam just failed to cooperate and comply and attempted to just give off the appearance that he was far more dangerous then he turned out to have been that's his own dumbass fault as far as I'm concerned.
    While he was not cooperative with U.N. inspectors in the end he conceded. The IAEA as well as our own CSG, CIA, and DIA could not with any certainty verify that there were any WMD's at all. In fact the CSG said they were convinced there weren't any and that Iraq was no immediate threat to the U.S. or her allies.

    The war was not reasonable and not justified. I know, people like TD will get on here and say "the U.N. resolution, the U.N. resolution!" Reasonable men don't kill each other over the terms on a piece of paper. Reasonable men kill when they have to in order to protect someone or some thing. In this case, the response was unquestionably heavy handed and not necessary.

    There are so many U.N. missions in which the U.S. chose not to send troops to support that warranted military action to save lives that were in imminent danger. But Iraq, well...Iraq that just HAD to be done.

    Bush had been told by his people that there was almost no evidence of WMD's in Iraq. There was raw, unvetted intelligence and speculation coming from the intelligence community. He knew this when he told us we had to take action NOW to disarm Saddam because he was a threat to the world. It was a deliberate deception, he mislead this nation to war and he knew what he was doing. There are plenty of books documenting this, people are named.

    Now you can choose to blow off these insiders who were involved and make all manner of excuses as to why you shouldn't pay them any attention, or you can look at the fact that we didn't find any WMD's. The CSG said they weren't there and they were dismissed. And guess what...they weren't there. All you have to do is look at the accounts that these people are telling, start checking dates, and listen to what Bush is saying to the public. It was a tragic, tragic series of events that even I was sucked into as an American citizen.
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What's lamer is that Bush bashers brush this under the rug. The existence of WMD were 'Bush' lies. Forget about the fact that President Clinton said 'exactly the same thing' for years.
    You Bush lovers don't understand relevancy, do you? Let's see, Clinton was prez thru '99. There were specific attacks, and threats, that Clinton responded to. Do you understand that? Iraq actually attacked something.

    Now, Bush, unfortunately was prez from 2000 thru 2008. With me so far? Osama Bin Laden attacked us in 2001. Bush was supposed to go after him. And he did for a little bit. But, then that got too tiring and he was getting antsy to invade Iraq. Remember, he talked about this dream before he was president. So, using Clinton's reasons, which were valid during Clinton's time, he lied about Iraq having wmds in the face of evidence and all kind of experts saying the contrary.

    Do you understand it better now? Iraq's WMDs were all dismantled when Bush was in office and he knew it.

    And that is the story, in a nutshell, of how Bush The Liar got us into an unprovoked war.

    Class dismissed.
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Class dismissed.
    Ah... when Clinton declared that Saddam's regime posed a nuclear, biological and chemical threat, he was basing his actions on solid and accurate intelligence. When Bush declared that Saddam's regime posed a nuclear, biological and chemical threat, he was lying. Got it.


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