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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    We were attacked in 2001, not 1991! The "decade" before doesn't matter. It's the period right before dubya attacked that matters. Blix wanted more time and resigned because he didn't get it!

    Besides that, remember... Iraq never attacked us.
    The decade of non-compliance certainly matters. Furthermore Hans Blix did want more time however he admitted right up to the war that he could not say Iraq was cooperating FULLY. He said he believed that it may have been a matter of pride that kept them from cooperating fully and allowing inspectors into certain areas. He also has stated that Saddam did not feel full cooperation would save him and that our government wanted him removed. Blix has stated repeatedly that he thinks this lessened Saddam's incentive to fully cooperate.

    But again, for whatever reasons they failed to fully cooperate and asking for "more time" was futile when Iraq had been in non-compliance for decades.

    Had Blix been able to go before the UN and say adamantly that Iraq was in full cooperation and that the inspectors met ZERO resistance than I would be horrified that we went in there anyway. But that wasn't case and I think people forget that. Anyone who says "Iraq was cooperating right before we attacked," is really being facetious.

    Even Blix has said it was hard to comprehend why Iraq behaved as they did. If Iraq had nothing then why not fully cooperate?? Blix is of the opinion that it was PRIDE that kept them from cooperating. However he also has stated that even that is a hypothesis and it's also logical to think that they kept inspectors out of areas because they had something to hide.

    Basically Hans report had more questions than answers.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    We were attacked in 2001, not 1991! The "decade" before doesn't matter. It's the period right before dubya attacked that matters. Blix wanted more time and resigned because he didn't get it!

    Besides that, remember... Iraq never attacked us.
    You like Blix because he's a social liberal. His tenure as weapons inspector was controverial at best.
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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Here's a good interview with Blix.

    [nomedia="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3RnQaVS_rRE&feature=fvsr"]YouTube - Hans Blix Interview - USA[/nomedia]

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    In the upcoming Newsweek issue, May 18, another former Bush aid, Richard N. Haas, shines a little more light on how open to diplomacy the Bush administration truly was (NOT!) and just how early Bush had made up his mind to invade an innocent country. All contrary to Bush's public comments!

    Haass: Former Bush Aide's Dilemma Over Iraq | Newsweek Politics | Newsweek.com
    As a famous President once quipped to uniformed Liberals; “there you go again.”

    Your desperate Bush bashing is only exceeded by your fabrications of intent.

    FACT: Bush is no longer President.

    FACT: Unless you wish to impeach all the Democrats who thought and believed the same things Bush did, this is all another of your typical exercises in futility.

    FACT: Democrats had a majority in the House and Senate and never moved to impeach Bush.

    FACT: Democrats now own a majority in ALL facets of the Federal Government and still no criminal proceedings.

    FACT: Democrats voted FOR the Joint Resolution in a vast BI-PARTISAN effort.

    FACT: Democrats had the same information available to vote.

    FACT: Saddam Hussein ignored UN resolutions for more than a decade and continued to defy them right up until we went in.

    FACT: there was no "rush" to war; the planning and efforts took more than a year.

    But even with all those FACTS; you continue to make your incoherent Liberal Hyper Partisan attacks in a vacuum of reality and the FACTS based on your incoherent hatred for a man who was basically guilty of caring about the safety of the American people and enforcing UN resolutions for the purely FALSE belief that he somehow stole the election in 2000.

    It is a trite yet desperate effort and typifies the offensive efforts of Liberals who when they cannot win any debate based on the facts or their political beliefs, will resort to character attacks and impugning good people in the court of public opinion.

    Yes it is despicable, offensive and simplistic; but these days, it is what defines an entire political party of the Community Organization of the United States.

    Here's what many HIGH level Democrats thought about WMDs as well; I guess we can paint them with the same broad brush you wish to use on Bush, they wished to go to war based on a lie and they had planned for it way before the actions occurred:

    "One way or the other, we are determined to deny Iraq the capacity to develop weapons of mass destruction and the missiles to deliver them. That is our bottom line."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 4, 1998

    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Bill Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "We must stop Saddam from ever again jeopardizing the stability and security of his neighbors with weapons of mass destruction."
    - Madeline Albright, Feb 1, 1998

    "He will use those weapons of mass destruction again, as he has ten times since 1983."
    - Sandy Berger, Clinton National Security Adviser, Feb, 18, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the U.S. Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of mass destruction programs."
    Letter to President Clinton.
    - (D) Senators Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, others, Oct. 9, 1998

    "Saddam Hussein has been engaged in the development of weapons of mass destruction technology which is a threat to countries in the region and he has made a mockery of the weapons inspection process."
    - Rep. Nancy Pelosi (D, CA), Dec. 16, 1998

    "Hussein has ... chosen to spend his money on building weapons of mass destruction and palaces for his cronies."
    - Madeline Albright, Clinton Secretary of State, Nov. 10, 1999

    "We begin with the common belief that Saddam Hussein is a tyrant and a threat to the peace and stability of the region. He has ignored the mandate of the United Nations and is building weapons of mass destruction and th! e means of delivering them."
    - Sen. Carl Levin (D, MI), Sept. 19, 2002

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven impossible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "We have known for many years that Saddam Hussein is seeking and developing weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Ted Kennedy (D, MA), Sept. 27, 2002

    "The last UN weapons inspectors left Iraq in October of 1998. We are confident that Saddam Hussein retains some stockpiles of chemical and biological weapons, and that he has since embarked on a crash course to build up his chemical and biological warfare capabilities. Intelligence reports indicate that he is seeking nuclear weapons..."
    - Sen. Robert Byrd (D, WV), Oct. 3, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force -- if necessary -- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9, 2002

    "There is unmistakable evidence that Saddam Hussein is working aggressively to develop nuclear weapons and will likely have nuclear weapons within the next five years ... We also should remember we have always underestimated the progress Saddam has made in development of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Jay Rockefeller (D, WV), Oct 10, 2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including al Qaeda members ... It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "We are in possession of what I think to be compelling evidence that Saddam Hussein has, and has had for a number of years, a developing capacity for the production and storage of weapons of mass destruction."
    - Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL), Dec. 8, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal, murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime ... He presents a particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction ... So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real..."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I suspect it's only a matter of time before Cheney also spills his guts, bragging about how he had dubya on puppet strings. ESPECIALLY since he's got a book coming out! He'll probably rag on poor dubya, making fun of his "lack of intellectual curiosity"!
    Then he'll be just another in a long string of former Shrub dissenters who are just angry over something and now profiting off of lies. Do I have that mantras about right?

    I'd be curious to see a list of former Presidential admin books that bash their boss and compare the number to the people who have come out against Bush.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    What's your opinion of Dick Morris?

    He looks funny when he talks.

    OK, that's one for Clinton...

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Moon View Post
    So it could be true about the Clintons, but you seem pretty convinced about the guy in the OP based on your posts. What gives him more credibility than Dick Morris, in your opinion?
    All the other former admin people who have come out or wrote books against Shrubby.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Can you prove that Bush knew they were lies?
    If he didn't then he's a bigger buffoon than we thought.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    This is all about getting even for the Clinton impeachment.
    Ah, no it's about a President who either knew what he was doing and that it was wrong or was too stupid to know it was wrong or was fine with letting someone else be the actual "decider". Take your pick.

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    Re: The Dilemma of Dissent - A former Bush aide looks back

    Quote Originally Posted by Slippery Slope View Post
    Ah, no it's about a President who either knew what he was doing and that it was wrong or was too stupid to know it was wrong or was fine with letting someone else be the actual "decider". Take your pick.
    Nice try, but bull**** nonetheless.
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