"It is written in the eternal constitution that men of intemperate minds cannot be free. Their passions forge their fetters." - Edmund Burke
You've done nothing to deconstruct anyone's argument here, you've simply posted a link to another opinion. So who is right? You're guy? Or the numerous folks, including Bush insiders who defected?
A good portion of that piece is targeted at the "what if Al Gore got elected" theory. Don't try to pass that off as evidence that the Bush defectors are lying.
It's awesome that we have another one of your kind around here, will make for great entertainment I'm sure.
First off, I never presented a theory, so what you were attempting to discredit is beyond me.
What I stated is that the neoconservative intellectuals that surrounded Bush and shaped much of his foreign policy were a primary factor in regards to the invasion of Iraq. I never mentioned a word about Gore, or that Iraq wouldn't of been invaded had Gore been in office.
As I'm typing this out I am continually asking myself if you even read my post? I don't see how anything you said discredits anything I stated. If anything it affirms it.
Lastly, it couldn't even be considered a theory, it is fact. Those who were in place during the Bush administration as SecDef, Deputy SecDef and various other postings were all neoconservatives and for years had called for a strategic U.S presence in the Middle East.
"I hope we shall crush in its birth the aristocracy of our monied corporations which dare already to challenge our government to a trial by strength, and bid defiance to the laws of our country." -Jefferson
Yes because this one opinion trumps all others? The Gore Theory you call it? Seriously. And your "if it's true you should be able to prove it in a court of law" argument is also flawed. All that means is that nobody has risen to the task of actually trying Bush for this. Not that the information isn't strong enough. You speak like a dyed in the wool Bush apologist.
You've done nothing to deconstruct anyone's argument here, you've simply posted a link to another opinion. So who is right? You're guy? Or the numerous folks, including Bush insiders who defected
Before I ever heard of Bush I was listening to Gore bash Bush for not taking Saddam Out when he had the chance.
Saddams days where done no matter who was in office at the time.
The summary of a study I linked/posted also deconstructs and uses historical facts to refute the standard talking points coming form the left on this stuff. Specifically the much used in this thread NEOCON PLOT routine.
I like historical reality..if that makes me a Bush apologist its probably because the events of the times don't fit what you wish to have portrayed....shrug
These conspiracy theories are simply tiresome.
Its humorous how the evil Bush official we never heard of is instantly believed by the people who don't believe anything that comes out of the Bush administration.A good portion of that piece is targeted at the "what if Al Gore got elected" theory. Don't try to pass that off as evidence that the Bush defectors are lying.
Pretty obvious why this guy is now the pin up atm in far left basements. He said he disagreed with Bush....zz
Every administration has these people. They write books, hold interviews, get used by the side that likes what they say and thats that. Often its some unknown like this.
I did not use the article to say the guy was lying I used the article to say alot of the comments in this thread are based on air.
What the OP is posted showed the guy had a different opinion on Iraq then the President of the US..great... so what?
Some guy you never heard of who worked in the Bush years says he disagreed with Bush on Iraq..felt pushed out of the loop, etc, etc
...this warrants an article in newsweek?
In 1996 and 1998 plans where formulated to invade Iraq with 400,000 troops. In 1998 Gore was Pushing Clinton to do more to take out Saddam.
From 1991-2002 some of the most vocal voices on taking actions against Iraq where DEMOCRATS.
You seemed to imply it was some grand plot by Neocons and not the universal opinion of a good number(if not most) US federal politicians until some of them decided to stab US soldiers in the back.
If that was not what you meant then nm.
"I believe in a Spinoza's God who reveals himself in the harmony of all that exists, but not in a God who concerns himself with the fate and actions of human beings."
--Albert Einstein, 1929
Last edited by Devil505; 05-05-09 at 05:42 AM.