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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And not to be nitpicky here, but it's...

    Specter, not Spector.

    Geez people!

    I know man, gotta leave in a minute so I didn't read over.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I know man, gotta leave in a minute so I didn't read over.
    Lol...it's funny though right? I mean so many people get his name wrong. I was the exact opposite...I had to double check it because I kept wanting to spell it with "or" instead of "er" even though I knew better.

    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by LaMidRighter View Post
    I think it all boils down to conservative and republican, the people who thought the GOP could do no wrong are bashing Specter right now, the true republican conservatives didn't like him to begin with because he was always a 50/50 vote, you never really knew where his principles were.
    Sort of like McCain?
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    I was just thinking about this, since there is so much clamor on the forum over Specter right now. How many Republicans/Conservatives on this board actually voiced an negative opinion of Specter prior to this party change? There are certainly plenty right now, and they all seem to think he was worthless as a Republican. Where is the history. A lot of folks seem to be playing the "what...Specter's joined the Dems?...well, huh...I mean...fine, we didn't want him anyway, he's a dirty SOB and always has been, I'm glad the Dems got him...serves 'em right I tell ya!" card.

    Specter was routinely criticized by the right, including on this forum. There wasn't a lot of noise about him the past two years because the Dem's had a majority and it didn't matter as much. If you think back to the "Gang of 14" thing, he was ridiculed a lot. Anytime "RINO'S" were brought up there was a good chance Specter was mentioned. There was a thread ressurected from a couple months ago criticizing him once the news came out he moved to the new party.

    Quite frankly, Specter hasn't been loved by Republicans for some time. The ONLy real "conservative" bedrock stance I've found him to be strong on was the 2nd amendment. In every other issue he is either about as moderate as you can come (having a mix of positions or just no strong real feeling), liberal, or conservative in the meekest least outspoken way possible.

    Specter rarely made the news because he was strongly pushing for a fiscal budget, or to push for tax cuts, or for calls of needing to shrink the size of government, or to strengthen our borders, or to other things. He was generally only in the news when he was pushing strongly for the "amnesty" bill, was blocking conservative judicial nominations, or was one of 4 to 7 republicans that would jump over and side with Democrats to break fillibusters or sway a big item.

    I think if Specter had been at the forefront of a conservative issue or two he'd have had a lot less vitriol shown to him; likely more on par with McCain, who gets insulted but also praised, than with someone like Olympia Snow who I've never seen a good thing said about. But he wasn't, he was a meek quite person on almost all conservative issues unless he was jumping ship to the other side in which case suddenly he was loud and prone to lectures.

    His cache had just gone down in recent years becuase there was less of a need for a token republican to drag over to make something "bipartisan" in hopes of getting it to pass or put onto the floor.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Lol...it's funny though right? I mean so many people get his name wrong. I was the exact opposite...I had to double check it because I kept wanting to spell it with "or" instead of "er" even though I knew better.

    No doubt.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Sort of like McCain?
    Exactly the same situation.
    Neither side in an argument can find the truth when both make an absolute claim on it.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    See my above post. Can you be any more wrong?
    To be wrong, I would have to agree with you.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Perhaps in the future you should actually CITE YOUR SOURCES when you quote people than if its not using the same source that was already quoted in the article. Am I supposed to be some sort of mind reader, able to bore into the Mind of the illustrious WillRockWell to know that the quote he posted, with absolutely no link citing where he got it from, was not taken from the article being discussed and actually linked in here.

    My apologizes, how about in the future clean up your sloppy debating and posting etiquette or be a bit understanding when people misunderstand you because of your inability to follow common protocol.

    Now having seen the full version, I sit somewhere between the original implication which appears to be faulty reporting (Funny, you seem to be attacking the poor reporting here while just a week ago you were drooling and frothing over information posted from a "liberal" rag without question) that, again, shows how poor our media is and the one presented by you.

    It seems, in the context, he is implying that through his shift to being a democrat he now has a better possability to push for funding of medical research than he had for republicans and if the push he has been wanting actually been done in the past decades that the senator would be alive today.

    I do think its a slight shot at the republicans, however I think its a far less over the top and questionable comment than it was initially made out to be. He's making an opinion, one that I think its a bit faulty as I believe cancer research has been one of the most heavily focused on and funded research in both the private and public sector when looking at the entirety of the field, and one that I think his personal interest in it clouds his view, but one that I don't see as being as questionable in character as originally posted.

    I think it was a political dig, but an extremely mild one all things considered.
    I apologize, it did not occur to me that all transcripts would not be complete transcripts, and that the rightwing media, which fills your Favorites, would edit the interview to obtain the most damning result. I understand the confusion, it was not your fault.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    He committed all of these....as the quote you provided clearly and emphatically demonstrates. Your proof substantiates my position. Thank you.
    Please demonstrate, using Specter's actual words, how he committed these offenses.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    And not to be nitpicky here, but it's...

    Specter, not Spector.

    Geez people!

    This is not the Wall of Sound guy?

    Last edited by WillRockwell; 05-04-09 at 06:29 PM.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Please demonstrate, using Specter's actual words, how he committed these offenses.
    Look, the son of a bitch used a poor choice of words whether he was really blaming Republicans for Kemp's death or not. Don't praise that old bastard for switching parties, how do you know he won't let you down too?
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