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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

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    ...In your opinion. Glad we cleared that up.
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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    HORSESH*T

    Nobody on God's green earth has a right to make such a statement. Not for any reason.
    Actually you are absolutely wrong. He very much has a right to make that statement. Just like you and some of your ilk have a right to say some of the very dumb things you are frequently guilty of saying. First Amendment is a bitch.
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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    First Amendment is a bitch.
    It is. It is also not applicable.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It is. It is also not applicable.
    How is it not applicable? Please explain.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    It is. It is also not applicable.
    Since when did freedom of speech not apply to Arlen Specter?
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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by aps View Post
    How is it not applicable? Please explain.
    1. It is a false statement. There is no right to lie.
    2. Being a lie, it is also slander, not just of members of both political parties (as each party has held sway since the referenced Nixon declaration of a "war on cancer"), but also of the deceased, who was a part of the government and the party so criticized by Specter. There is no right to slander.
    3. Further, in making reference to the manner of Jack Kemp's death, it represents an invasion of privacy. Such invasions are not protected speech.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Since when did freedom of speech not apply to Arlen Specter?
    The protections and limitations of the First Amendment absolutely apply to the disgraced Senator from Pennsylvania. As his comments about Jack Kemp are outside the boundaries of the First Amendment, your question is moot.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    1. It is a false statement. There is no right to lie.
    2. Being a lie, it is also slander, not just of members of both political parties (as each party has held sway since the referenced Nixon declaration of a "war on cancer"), but also of the deceased, who was a part of the government and the party so criticized by Specter. There is no right to slander.
    3. Further, in making reference to the manner of Jack Kemp's death, it represents an invasion of privacy. Such invasions are not protected speech.
    your "logic" assumes we have forgotten the facts. I will refresh them for you. Here is what Specter actually said. I am sure that, 3 pages from now, you will once again be accusing him of slander, lying, and invasion of privacy. As you can clearly see (even you), he committed none of these.

    If we had pursued what President Nixon declared in 1970 as the war on cancer, we would have cured many strains. I think Jack Kemp would be alive today. And that research has saved or prolonged many lives, including mine.

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    I can't blame you for making this crap up, because every right wing media outlet is saying it. Specter did not say "the GOP killed Kemp". Here is the totality of what he did say:

    Now, that seems like a true statement. What part of this actual quote do you disagree with?

    Context is a killer, isn't it Will. Lets see, does this make it sound a bit different?

    But as a matter of principle, I'm becoming much more comfortable with the Democrats' approach. And one of the items that I'm working on, Bob, is funding for medical research. If we had pursued what President Nixon declared in 1970 as the war on cancer, we would have cured many strains. I think Jack Kemp would be alive today. And that research has saved or prolonged many lives, including mine.
    That's odd, if you add what was said before it when he points out the apparent difference in "Funding for medical research" between what he was able to push as a republican than as a democrat, it most certainly DOES seem that he's insinuating that the GOP's "agenda" of not spending federal money on medical research helped lead to the death of Jack Kemp.

    I ask you Will, why didn't you provide the line right before the one you posted?

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    Re: Specter hints Kemp died of GOP agenda

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Context is a killer, isn't it Will. Lets see, does this make it sound a bit different?



    That's odd, if you add what was said before it when he points out the apparent difference in "Funding for medical research" between what he was able to push as a republican than as a democrat, it most certainly DOES seem that he's insinuating that the GOP's "agenda" of not spending federal money on medical research helped lead to the death of Jack Kemp.

    I ask you Will, why didn't you provide the line right before the one you posted?
    If you are so concerned with context, why did you collapse Specter's remarks? As you can see, the line you quoted is not at all "right before the one you posted". Maybe you should be quoting from an actual transcript instead of a rightwing rag. Do you prefer the decision to indict Specter by collapsing his words, or were you just suckered in by it. Hmmm?

    RealClearPolitics - Interview with Senator Arnold Specter
    And one of the items that I'm working on, Bob, is funding for medical research. I've been the spear carrier to increase medical research. And I've even established a Web site, Specterforthecure.com, to try to get people to put more pressure on Congress to join me in getting more funding.

    This medical research has been a reawakening to (ph) $10 billion. We were about to lose a whole generation of scientists. And now they're enthused. There are 15,000 applications to be granted.

    SPECTER: If we had pursued what President Nixon declared in 1970 as the war on cancer, we would have cured many strains. I think Jack Kemp would be alive today. And that research has saved or prolonged many lives, including mine.

    Now, as the New York Times pointed out in a column today, when you talk about life and death and medical research, that's a much more major consideration on what I can do, continuing in the Senate, contrasted with which party I belong to.
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