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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Scarecrow Akhbar View Post
    Yes, the USA should not abandon its citizens.
    It's not abandoning them, it's letting them pay for their crimes.

    Here's a thought, if you don't like the justice system of another country, DON'T GO THERE AND ACTUALLY LISTEN TO THE WARNINGS OR YOUR GOVERNMENT.

    They are dumb asses for going there and now they pay the price.

    Maybe they will be helpful to others and actually get them to think twice before ignoring warnings.

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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Kind of hard to say he didn't say such things when terrorist tv aka Al Jazeera says he said those things.

    Al Jazeera English - Archive - Ahmadinejad: Wipe Israel off map

    Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad has openly called for Israel to be wiped off the map.

    "The establishment of the Zionist regime was a move by the world oppressor against the Islamic world," the president told a conference in Tehran on Wednesday, entitled The World without Zionism.

    "The skirmishes in the occupied land are part of a war of destiny. The outcome of hundreds of years of war will be defined in Palestinian land," he said.

    "As the Imam said, Israel must be wiped off the map," said Ahmadinejad, referring to Iran's revolutionary leader Ayat Allah Khomeini.

    His comments were the first time in years that such a high-ranking Iranian official has called for Israel's eradication, even though such slogans are still regularly used at government
    rallies.
    Actually, it's not an Al Jazeera article. It's an AFP article. And it has been debunked numerous times as a mistranslation; if you knew someone that spoke Farsi and you gave them what Ahmedinejad actually said you would know this.
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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    Actually, it's not an Al Jazeera article. It's an AFP article. And it has been debunked numerous times as a mistranslation; if you knew someone that spoke Farsi and you gave them what Ahmedinejad actually said you would know this.
    Then what is he really saying? Give us your expert translation.

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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Then what is he really saying? Give us your expert translation.
    I've posted this numerous times on this board. Here's the latest post:

    This was a mistranslation that has been used by many people as propaganda against Ahmedinejad and the Iranian administration. I contacted Juan Cole, who is a prominent Middle Eastern historian and speaks Farsi, and this was his response:

    The speech in Persian is here:

    Sorry that I misremembered the exact phrase Ahmadinejad had used. He made an analogy to Khomeini's determination and success in getting rid of the Shah's government, which Khomeini had said "must go" (az bain bayad berad). Then Ahmadinejad defined Zionism not as an Arabi-Israeli national struggle but as a Western plot to divide the world of Islam with Israel as the pivot of this plan.

    The phrase he then used as I read it is "The Imam said that this regime occupying Jerusalem (een rezhim-e ishghalgar-e qods) must [vanish from] from the page of time (bayad az safheh-ye ruzgar mahv shavad)."

    Ahmadinejad was not making a threat, he was quoting a saying of Khomeini and urging that pro-Palestinian activists in Iran not give up hope-- that the occupation of Jerusalem was no more a continued inevitability than had been the hegemony of the Shah's government.

    Whatever this quotation from a decades-old speech of Khomeini may have meant, Ahmadinejad did not say that "Israel must be wiped off the map" with the implication that phrase has of Nazi-style extermination of a people. He said that the occupation regime over Jerusalem must be erased from the page of time.

    Again, Ariel Sharon erased the occupation regime over Gaza from the page of time.

    I should again underline that I personally despise everything Ahmadinejad stands for, not to mention the odious Khomeini, who had personal friends of mine killed so thoroughly that we have never recovered their bodies. Nor do I agree that the Israelis have no legitimate claim on any part of Jerusalem. And, I am not exactly a pacifist but have a strong preference for peaceful social activism over violence, so needless to say I condemn the sort of terror attacks against innocent civilians (including Arab Israelis) that we saw last week. I have not seen any credible evidence, however, that such attacks are the doing of Ahmadinejad, and in my view they are mainly the result of the expropriation and displacement of the long-suffering Palestinian people.

    It is not realistic for Americans to call for Iran to talk directly to the Israeli government (though in the 1980s the Khomeinists did a lot of business with Israel) when the US government won't talk directly to the Iranians about most bilateral issues. In fact, an American willingness to engage in direct talks might well pave the way to an eventual settlement of these outstanding issues.

    cheers

    Juan Cole

    I have also asked friends that I know that speak Farsi, some who still have family in Iran, and they have confirmed Cole's translation.
    It doesn't require one to be an expert to know this; it simply requires one be fluent in Farsi or know somone that is.

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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Isn't it convenient how things get misunderstood in translation. Especially when making excuses for racist, holocaust deniers like Ahmadinejad. The man personifies pure unadulterated evil.

    Here are some quotes from the son of satan and twelver, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca)

    "The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (In a speech at the opening of the "Support for the Palestinian Intifada" conference on April 14-16, 2006 hosted in Tehran)

    ''We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors of Europe and let the Jews go back to their own countries." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 4/24/2006

    "Are they human beings?... The Zionists are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 8/2/2006 (as quoted by Iranian TV)

    "The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive"
    ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 10/19/2006 (as quoted by Iranian state television)

    "Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
    Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."
    ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 11/13/2006

    These are but a few quotes of many. Are they all misinterpretations? I think not. There is no doubt that this man is a holocaust denier, a racist, and a danger to Israel.
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    Re: Northwestern students, faculty, plan Saberi hunger strike

    Quote Originally Posted by SgtRock View Post
    Isn't it convenient how things get misunderstood in translation. Especially when making excuses for racist, holocaust deniers like Ahmadinejad. The man personifies pure unadulterated evil.

    Here are some quotes from the son of satan and twelver, Mahmoud Ahmadinejad

    "Some European countries insist on saying that Hitler killed millions of innocent Jews in furnaces.... Although we don't accept this claim, if we suppose it is true, our question for the Europeans is: Is the killing of innocent Jewish people by Hitler the reason for their support to the occupiers of Jerusalem? If the Europeans are honest they should give some of their provinces in Europe -- like in Germany, Austria or other countries -- to the Zionists and the Zionists can establish their state in Europe." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (Speaking to reporters at an Islamic summit in Mecca)

    "The Zionist regime is an injustice and by its very nature a permanent threat. Whether you like it or not, the Zionist regime is heading toward annihilation. The Zionist regime is a rotten, dried tree that will be eliminated by one storm."~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad (In a speech at the opening of the "Support for the Palestinian Intifada" conference on April 14-16, 2006 hosted in Tehran)

    ''We say that this fake regime (Israel) cannot not logically continue to live. Open the doors of Europe and let the Jews go back to their own countries." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 4/24/2006

    "Are they human beings?... The Zionists are a group of blood-thirsty savages putting all other criminals to shame." ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 8/2/2006 (as quoted by Iranian TV)

    "The Zionist regime is counterfeit and illegitimate and cannot survive"
    ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 10/19/2006 (as quoted by Iranian state television)

    "Israel is destined for destruction and will soon disappear"
    Israel is "a contradiction to nature, we foresee its rapid disappearance and destruction."
    ~ Mahmoud Ahmadinejad 11/13/2006

    These are but a few quotes of many. Are they all misinterpretations? I think not. There is no doubt that this man is a holocaust denier, a racist, and a danger to Israel.
    Your point is what? I don't think anyone here thought that Ahmadinejad was not a fan of Zionists. As for being a threat to Israel, let Israel take care of themselves. They are perfectly content with pissing off all of their neighbors, let them reap what they sew.
    "An error does not become truth by reason of multiplied propagation, nor does truth become error because nobody sees it." - Gandhi

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