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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Texas' justice system isn't broken, though it bends quite a bit... just like every justice system in every state and in every nation around the world.

    Compared to some other states, I'd say the Texas system probably bends more toward protecting the public than protecting the rights of the accused. And that probably sits just dandy with most Texans. A delicate balancing act.

    Is it really better to let 10 guilty men go free than to condemn 1 innocent?


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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    The fact she was 17 when she committed murder and facing an appropriate punishment for it is irrelevant.This is just scumbag sympathizer nonsense whining over the fact she is being executed for a crime she committed when she was 17. At 17 years old you should know that murder is wrong. If you are old enough to do the crime then you are old enough to be punished for it. As Dav said a country that uses the death penalty for everything will eventually use it for the right reasons. This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
    I beg to differ. Killing just perpetuates the notion that ending life is acceptable and desensitizes the masses to murder. Hardly progress by today's standards.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

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    Islam, the religion of mercy. Here we go.....
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

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    Islam, the religion of mercy. Here we go.....
    A country which executes preaching to another country that executes?

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    Is it really better to let 10 guilty men go free than to condemn 1 innocent?
    I would say yes. Because of the notions of who has power in this country, it is best to allow the guilty go free to ensure as few innocents caught up in the process as one resonably can. The government is supposed to be the restricted force, and the People are the source of all power and authority. Therefore, it's up to the government to present its case because it's the handicapped one. Gobbling up innocents to make sure that the guilty pay can be done only in a system where the government dominates the People. The burden of proof would be less, it would be more a system of guilty until proven innocent. Which is horrible because then the focus isn't that the govenrment must prove you're guilty but that you must prove you're innocent. In such a construct; you would definitely pick up more innocent people, but you'd probably also capture a higher percentage of the guilty. I just don't think it's necessarily a good thing to try to set up. I'd rather the government be limited and that they need to prove their case; not the other way around. Especially in a time when we need to be reevaluating our prison system, the laws we have, and asking why so many people are going to be put in jail. I think it's something like 1/3 of the American populace will at some point spend time in jail. That value for African American is astronomical. Why? I think we're already in the over jailing state and we need to maybe lessen it. Not so much with letting guilty people go on purpose; but by reevaluating the law and the level of interference the government has in our daily lives.

    The converse to your statement is interesting, I wonder how many would agree.

    Is it better to condemn 10 innocent people to ensure that 1 guilty man doesn't go free?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I would say yes. Because of the notions of who has power in this country, it is best to allow the guilty go free to ensure as few innocents caught up in the process as one resonably can. The government is supposed to be the restricted force, and the People are the source of all power and authority. Therefore, it's up to the government to present its case because it's the handicapped one. Gobbling up innocents to make sure that the guilty pay can be done only in a system where the government dominates the People. The burden of proof would be less, it would be more a system of guilty until proven innocent. Which is horrible because then the focus isn't that the govenrment must prove you're guilty but that you must prove you're innocent. In such a construct; you would definitely pick up more innocent people, but you'd probably also capture a higher percentage of the guilty. I just don't think it's necessarily a good thing to try to set up. I'd rather the government be limited and that they need to prove their case; not the other way around. Especially in a time when we need to be reevaluating our prison system, the laws we have, and asking why so many people are going to be put in jail. I think it's something like 1/3 of the American populace will at some point spend time in jail. That value for African American is astronomical. Why? I think we're already in the over jailing state and we need to maybe lessen it. Not so much with letting guilty people go on purpose; but by reevaluating the law and the level of interference the government has in our daily lives.

    The converse to your statement is interesting, I wonder how many would agree.

    Is it better to condemn 10 innocent people to ensure that 1 guilty man doesn't go free?
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yes, here we go. Tell us how evil and sadistic and terrible Islam's teachings and practices are. Make sure you quote out of context Surrahs. That's always a big hit.
    Yep damn us misunderstanders of Islam. "Slay the infidel wherever you find them" really means "shower the infidel with roses and candy". Fact is Mohammed was a genocidal mad man who perpetrated mass genocide and ethnic cleansing against the banu tribes of the Arabian peninsula after they had surrendered. But ya don't let historical facts like these stand in the way of your apolegetics of a virulent and dangerous ideology.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That is a red herring you just posted. The girl had committed murder.
    Nothing wrong with executing people who confess to murder.

    Including 17-year olds who confess to murder.

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    Yes, here we go. Tell us how evil and sadistic and terrible Islam's teachings and practices are. Make sure you quote out of context Surrahs. That's always a big hit.
    Booboolaboo 7:34 Thou shalt not execute a 22 year old fox, just cause she hath killed a rich bitch.

    I guess we have nothing to say about this. It's Iran's business. Let's move on.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by EgoffTib View Post
    I beg to differ. Killing just perpetuates the notion that ending life is acceptable and desensitizes the masses to murder. Hardly progress by today's standards.
    Or it makes murder less acceptable by making it a life-ending proposition?

    Hell, locking people up for an entire lifetime is pretty rough too, so does doing that perpetuate the notion that it's acceptable? Because maybe some people don't think it is.

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