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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    I do not know if this woman is telling the truth or if she is just merely lying to save her own ass.
    Thank you.
    That is the point.
    We do not know, and the article is absent information to draw any conclusions.




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Criminals say they are innocent all the time.
    And innocent people say they are guilty all the time.
    So what? One does not have more sway than the other and neither should be used to make judgment absent supporting evidence.



    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    However most of these scumbag sympathizers are whining about her age at the time the crime has taken place in ...
    I don't see these people as "scumbag sympathizers" but those who are well intentioned, just as you are, but with a different set of ethics, values, morals and beliefs, some of which I agree with, and some I do not.


    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    ... not whether or not she received a fair trial.
    To me, the article was about both; her age, (which I have no problems with) and the fair trial aspect.
    Which is why I asked you the following question.
    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Thank you.
    That is the point.
    We do not know, and the article is absent information to draw any conclusions.
    Then why speculate whether or not she recieved a fair trial when there is no evidence to suggest she didn't?



    I don't see these people as "scumbag sympathizers" but those who are well intentioned, just as you are, but with a different set of ethics, values, morals and beliefs, some of which I agree with, and some I do not.
    It takes sympathy from to not want a scumbag on death row executed.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    That is a red herring you just posted. The girl had committed murder.
    What did she defend herself from being raped like the last young girl I heard of them executing?

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    No. She would have been declared mentally retarded and then executed. That's the Texas way. See? I can bring up red herrings too.
    Ouchies, taking a shot at little ole Texas are we?

    The girl in question was executed despite there being a stay of execution by Iran's judiciary. More than likely a ploy to take off some of the outrage that would have been generated. Instead of blaming Iran, Iran itself and shrug and say "out of control jail officials". The case itself was pretty fishy to the point that even the Iran courts were unsure. That says ALOT right there.


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    One of those inmates, Shermaine A. Johnson, 26, had been awaiting execution in Virginia for a rape and murder he committed in 1994 at age 16.
    Yeah, so is rape and murder. Justice is sometimes an uncomfortable necessity that the modern "civilized" age needs despite its ever changing (some would say degenerating) moral code.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Iran ratified the Convention on the Rights of the Child on 13 Jul 1994, but with reservations.
    "The Government of the Islamic Republic of Iran reserves the right not to apply any provisions or articles of the Convention that are incompatible with Islamic Laws and the international legislation in effect."
    Convention on the Rights of the Child
    So any claims that they are not in abidance with said 'rights', are actually untrue by there own reading of Sharia Law.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then why speculate whether or not...
    Again, that is the point.
    You drew a conclusion when you said the following.
    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
    That conclusion is based on speculation.
    So if you are going to draw conclusions based on speculation then there is no reason why we shouldn't speculate further, with reason based on what we know of the country, it's culture, and how women are treated.




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    Then why speculate whether or not she recieved a fair trial when there is no evidence to suggest she didn't?
    Uh, hello!
    Her claim is, in and of itself, evidence. Evidence that she may not have murdered someone.
    Secondly, we have the claim of her lawyer that she didn't receive a fair trial.
    What is lacking to us, is evidence supporting the claims.
    But then again, since we are speculating, we again need to go to how the country and it's culture treat women.

    But hey, since you avoided my question twice, it's all moot, isn't it?
    Just as your statement I quoted above is moot.





    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    It takes sympathy from to not want a scumbag on death row executed.
    No, it doesn't just take sympathy.
    It can take sympathy for some.
    It can take looking at the evidence for others.
    And then there are those who are against the death penalty because they believe the Government should not be involved in the killing of it's Citizens.
    etc...
    The point being is, that there are many reasons one can be against the imposition of the death penalty, in part (case specific), or in whole, that does not involve sympathy, nor require that one be a "scumbag", or "scumbag sympathizer".


    As for scumbag/s.
    That is nothing but vitriol, and you know it.

    As far as I am concerned, it's use, and the use of other vitriolic comments are amoral. Not only does the usage of such cast the person and their posts in a negative light, it takes away from their otherwise cogent replies and does nothing to further discussion.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Islam, the religion of mercy. Here we go.....
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Again, that is the point.
    You drew a conclusion when you said the following.That conclusion is based on speculation.
    What speculation? She has been convicted of murder in a court of law. Therefore she is a convicted murderer. The death penalty despite what scumbag sympathizers say is an appropriate punishment for murder.
    So if you are going to draw conclusions based on speculation then there is no reason why we shouldn't speculate further, with reason based on what we know of the country, it's culture, and how women are treated.
    Again she was convicted in a court of law of murder.So there is no speculation. She wasn't convicted of adultery,pissing off religious people or a rape victim.


    Uh, hello!
    Her claim is, in and of itself, evidence. Evidence that she may not have murdered someone.
    Uh, HELLO!,
    No it isn't.Criminals claim **** all the time no matter what country they are in.

    Secondly, we have the claim of her lawyer that she didn't receive a fair trial.
    And how many lawyers over here in the US use that line to try to get their client off the hook. Lawyers are not synonymous with honesty.
    What is lacking to us, is evidence supporting the claims.
    The absence of evidence is not the evidence of something. Her claims she didn't do it is nothing more more BS to say her hide.

    But then again, since we are speculating, we again need to go to how the country and it's culture treat women.
    Yes we know they execute woman for adultery and other non-executible worthy crimes. Murder is a different story.


    No, it doesn't just take sympathy.
    Yes it does. Maybe you are correct, it takes misplaced sympathy and lack of common sense and a total disregard for the victims to not want to have scum on death row executed..

    As far as I am concerned, it's use, and the use of other vitriolic comments are amoral.
    Scumbag sympathizers who whine about being called sympathizers simply do not like being called what they are. If you are going to be a scumbag then fine, but you must also accept the fact you are a scumbag sympathizer and people are going to call you what you are.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    Yes it is. Just saying.
    BS - I was not defending Iran in the slightest. Read my post again, especially about the part where I said "and just when you think it couldn't get any worse". If I was defending Iran at all, don't you think I would have said "and just when you think it couldn't get any better?".

    And, of course, the reference to Texas was tongue in cheek. Texas' justice system is broken, and a few innocent people have died as a result. A few more have been let go after spending a good portion of their lives in prison, or even on death row. So I was making a statement about that. How you can claim, based on my post, that I am defending Iran, is ridiculous. It is also patently dishonest debating.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.

    Iran is way out there in their punishments, but just when you think it couldn't get any worse, Iran becomes like Texas.

    Article is here.
    There are plenty of people who endorse the DP who should endorse this as well. Killed someone, and that was the taking of a life, which is incredibly valuable. As I understand it the people who support the DP will show us how valuable life is by taking life.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Texas' justice system is broken, and a few innocent people have died as a result.
    Texas' justice system isn't broken, though it bends quite a bit... just like every justice system in every state and in every nation around the world.

    Compared to some other states, I'd say the Texas system probably bends more toward protecting the public than protecting the rights of the accused. And that probably sits just dandy with most Texans. A delicate balancing act.

    Is it really better to let 10 guilty men go free than to condemn 1 innocent?


    The relevance of answers depends, of course, on getting the questions right. Sometimes, however, we are not quite sure that we actually know what the question is. The doctrine that underlies the title question to this essay is commonly ascribed to William Blackstone. in Commentaries on the Laws of England (1769), Blackstone wrote that "the law holds that it is better that ten guilty persons escape, than that one innocent suffer." (1) This formulation is not the only version of the doctrine. For example, in his book on Evidence (1824), another British scholar, Thomas Starkie, insisted "that it is better that ninety-nine ... offenders shall escape than that one innocent man be condemned." (2) The various versions of this idea in circulation inspired Jeremy Bentham to make the following skeptical comment in A Treatise on Judicial Evidence (1825):

    At first it was said to be better to save several guilty men, than to condemn a single innocent man; others, to make the maxim more striking, fixed on the number ten, a third made this ten a hundred, and a fourth made it a thousand. All these candidates for the prize of humanity have been outstripped by I know not how many writers, who hold, that, in no case, ought an accused to be condemned, unless the evidence amount to mathematical or absolute certainty. According to this maxim, nobody ought to be punished, lest an innocent man be punished.
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