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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Comparing Iran to Texas is simply BS.

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    True. But on the flip side of that, how many innocent men are serving life in prison without the extensive review of their cases that death penalty cases receive?
    Plenty. That doesn't make the death penalty any better. While it is a death sentence either way, at least in theory there is time for those with life sentences. Furthermore, many life in prison have been exonerated.

    The end result of doing away with the death penalty is that the vast majority of these wrongly convicted men and women will simply rot in jail for the rest of their lives.
    Or the flip side, provide more time and resources for extensive review and proper trials. Remember that capital punishment is incredibly expensive.

    Both your points suggest something many have agreed with; we need prison reform.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    What I find interesting is how some seem to always jump to the defense of the Iranian and similar regimes whenever they do something dispicable and the defenders always seems to be the same folks.


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    Saying that Iran is kinda like Texas, isn't really "coming to the defense" of Iran. Just sayin'.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by danarhea View Post
    Iran just executed a 22 year old girl for a murder she committed when she was still a minor.

    Iran is way out there in their punishments, but just when you think it couldn't get any worse, Iran becomes like Texas.

    Article is here.
    The fact she was 17 when she committed murder and facing an appropriate punishment for it is irrelevant.This is just scumbag sympathizer nonsense whining over the fact she is being executed for a crime she committed when she was 17. At 17 years old you should know that murder is wrong. If you are old enough to do the crime then you are old enough to be punished for it. As Dav said a country that uses the death penalty for everything will eventually use it for the right reasons. This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by TOJ View Post
    What I find interesting is how some seem to always jump to the defense of the Iranian and similar regimes whenever they do something dispicable and the defenders always seems to be the same folks.


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    Unfortunately, because of the way the OP set up this issue... many of us are in the position of defending Texas. To hell with Iran.


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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Both your points suggest something many have agreed with; we need prison reform.
    This has nothing to do with prison reform. This is about the judicial system. It never has been and never will be flawless. If you know of a better model that results in fewer wrongful convictions, please share.

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Lightdemon View Post
    Saying that Iran is kinda like Texas, isn't really "coming to the defense" of Iran. Just sayin'.
    Yes it is. Just saying.

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    This has nothing to do with prison reform. This is about the judicial system.
    Not necessarily. We don't treat prisoners the same, especially when the outcome is the same: death.

    It never has been and never will be flawless. If you know of a better model that results in fewer wrongful convictions, please share.
    I don't necessarily think it's a better model, it's more of modifying the mechanisms and criteria within that model to produce a more accurate outcome.

    As much as some people like to pretend, the state has executed innocent people on death row and allowed innocent people to die in prison under life sentences. While we can never truly eliminate that without eliminating the prison system, we should seek to mitigate and reduce this.
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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Any comparison to the state of Texas, or any other State in the U.S. to this, is ridiculous.

    I have no problem with a seventeen year old being treated as an adult or with a person of any age, who can not be rehabilitated, being executed.
    I also do not believe it is any of our business of how another Government governs their masses.




    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    This is one of those moments the death penalty in Iran is being used for the right reason.
    In the abstract, I am understanding what you are saying in regards to the punishment... it fits the actual crime. And since she was convicted of the crime... it is ok.
    Is that correct?




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    Darabi, 22, had spent five years in jail after being convicted of murdering her father's wealthy female cousin. She initially confessed to the crime but later insisted that her boyfriend carried out the murder to steal the 65-year-old woman's money. The boyfriend persuaded her to confess, she claimed, by convincing her she would not be executed because of her age.
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    Abdolsamad Khoramshahi, had appealed against the sentence, arguing that her conviction had been based solely on her confession and that her trial had failed to consider vital evidence.
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    Outcry as Iran executes artist over juvenile conviction


    Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?

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    Re: Iran executes 22 year-old

    Quote Originally Posted by Coolguy View Post
    Any comparison to the state of Texas, or any other State in the U.S. to this, is ridiculous.

    I have no problem with a seventeen year old being treated as an adult or with a person of any age, who can not be rehabilitated, being executed.
    I also do not believe it is any of our business of how another Government governs their masses.




    In the abstract, I am understanding what you are saying in regards to the punishment... it fits the actual crime. And since she was convicted of the crime... it is ok.
    Is that correct?






    Know knowing how women are treated, not only by the government, but by the culture there... after reading the article... do you think that maybe her claim may have some actual truth to it... or perhaps that there was no way for her to have received a trial that was as fair as she would have received if the act was committed in the U.S.?

    I do not know if this woman is telling the truth or if she is just merely lying to save her own ass. Criminals say they are innocent all the time. However most of these scumbag sympathizers are whining about her age at the time the crime has taken place in not whether or not she received a fair trial.
    "A nation can survive its fools, and even the ambitious. But it cannot survive treason from within. An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly. But the traitor moves amongst those within the gate freely, his sly whispers rustling through all the alleys, heard in the very halls of government itself. For the traitor appears not a traitor; he speaks in accents familiar to his victims, and he wears their face and their arguments, he appeals to the baseness that lies deep in the hearts of all men. He rots the soul of a nation, he works secretly and unknown in the night to undermine the pillars of the city, he infects the body politic so that it can no longer resist. A murder is less to fear"

    Cicero Marcus Tullius

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