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Religious tend to support torture more often

Aw, look at the little Leftist, forgetting that THIS could have happened AGAIN:

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...and almost did.

At that size you may not be able to tell what the second pic is...its two people who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11 to avoid burning to death, holding hands as they fall.

Does anyone still remember how you felt that day?
My guts churn seeing those photos.

At least once a day the various horrors of 911 should be shown on the major networks for a minute or so.

It just might sober up some folks on the left.

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This is not a surprise. It seems to fit in with all I have ever thought about those religious.

Wow how not bigoted and generalizing of you. [/sarcasm]
 
My guts churn seeing those photos.

At least once a day the various horrors of 911 should be shown on the major networks for a minute or so.

It just might sober up some folks on the left.
Not likely. They'd just tune it out like they do everything else that does not fit their orthodoxy. Liberal listening is a contradiction in terms.
 
My guts churn seeing those photos.

At least once a day the various horrors of 911 should be shown on the major networks for a minute or so.

So far, I'm on board with you. Keeping these photos and videos in our mind's eye will help us to remember there are people out there who still mean to do us harm.

It just might sober up some folks on the left.

It was people on the right who acted drunk, going after an entire country who did not attack us and letting the person responsible for 9/11 go free. Now, I ask you, "Why did Bush let Bin Laden go free?" Seems to me that should piss you off. Yet it doesn't. Why is that? :confused:
 
It was people on the right who acted drunk, going after an entire country who did not attack us and letting the person responsible for 9/11 go free. Now, I ask you, "Why did Bush let Bin Laden go free?" Seems to me that should piss you off. Yet it doesn't. Why is that? :confused:
Because bin Laden holed up in a cave is less dangerous than bin Laden as a martyr. Anyone who fails to understand that had best be silent on matters of national security so they don't embarrass themselves with their ignorance.
 
Because bin Laden holed up in a cave is less dangerous than bin Laden as a martyr. Anyone who fails to understand that had best be silent on matters of national security so they don't embarrass themselves with their ignorance.
Is that your interpritation or official US policy?
 
Not likely. They'd just tune it out like they do everything else that does not fit their orthodoxy. Liberal listening is a contradiction in terms.

Hold the presses! Don't knock me up just yet m'lord. :rofl

I'm sideways with you here. That divisive "liberal = bad" positioning is exactly what is sinking the right politically, as we speak.

Rush Limbaugh, speaking about the GOP's "Listening Tour," said that the conservatives shouldn't be listening (read: conceeding to the very idea that they could POSSIBLY be wrong on any particular issue) but rather they should be "teaching" (read: shoving old conservative ideals down everyone's throat whether they want them or not.)

Now, I'm as pro-gun, pro-life, pro-troops and pro-national defense, small government and pro-states rights as anybody I know. But I am NOT pro-"divide-and-conquer" when it comes to the newly, self-defined, "conservatives,":roll: (a' la Limbaugh and Hannity style) who just want to split our country apart and spew division.

Nobody wants to listen when they are convinced they are right. I see no shortage of this coming from the liberal or conservative stances. But surely the conservative camp has no moral highground to blame the liberals for not wanting to listen. They are just as bad, if not worse.
 
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"Innocent lives" equates to the people who were working in the World Trade Center who were murdered by desperate terrorists whom people like you appear to defend, for no other reason than they were Americans.
How is this different than people sitting in their home, or walking down the street or shopping in a market when a bomb falls out of the sky or a tank or artillery round blows them to hell? Aren't those "innocent lives"? There are a lot more than the 3000 killed in the WTC.


So now you wish to divine what it is I care about based on the above comment?
Yeah, since you run your mouth about one but not the other.

But again, your willful denial of the fact that those tens of thousands died not because of the actions of our troops, but because of the actions of a tiny faction of murderers and terrorists who do not want to see Democracy succeed in Iraq.
Right, it's the fault of the 13 Saudi's that were killed in their attack on the WTC, that we killed innocent people in Iraq... :doh

How disingenuous that you continue to suggest that our troops are to blame.
How disingenuous that you continue to suggest that I suggested our troops are to blame. Please quote where I said our troops are to blame instead of our government or admit you just made that **** up.

The only reason you would find my arguments specious or constitute rhetoric would be due to your rabid historical ignorance of the region and your desperate attempts to swallow the terrorist propaganda that would never even occur to a rational human being to make any sense at all.
Is that supposed to pass as an argument against what I said? :rofl

But your hate Bush hate America blather you constantly spew on this forum hardly suggests that of a rational human being.
You got it wrong as usual, sport. I hate Bush but I am only disappointed in America and by standing up for what I believe is wrong I hope to prevent America from further disappointing me. :2wave:

The only reason you “thought” that, an obvious oxymoron in your case, is because you swallow the swill dished out by Osama Bin Laden and their illogical ignorant assertions about the evils of America and the Jews and how they have caused the poverty so common in the ME.
No, you must have me confused with a neocon. I don't give 2 ****s about what Bin Laden thinks. America's "evils" around the world (that which we know about at least) is easy to find if you care about truth.

As I stated, rational beings tend to look to FACTS and the TRUTH rather than swallow such ignorant swill dished out by uneducated murderous thugs who want to force the entire world back into the dark ages of their fundamentalist beliefs; no one can accuse you of that for sure.
Are you talking about neocons/evangelical fundy xians?

So now in lieu of rational coherent arguments, you resort to the absurd. Bravo for you; your irrational defense of the indefensible has been noted. Again, it hardly excuses your anti-American diatribes.
It is noted that you choose to attack me instead of my argument. :2wave:

What irony coming from someone who spews irrational hatred and terrorist like propaganda and who seldom exhibits the ability to be cognizant of any FACTS even if they swat them in the head.
What irony coming from someone who spews irrational hatred and terrorist like propaganda and who seldom exhibits the ability to be cognizant of any FACTS even if they swat them in the head.

Tell me something, what historical perspective do you think you are bringing to the debate? The only history I am seeing is the inane terrorist propaganda we see from the likes of Osama.
Tell me something, what historical perspective do you think you are bringing to the debate? The only history I am seeing is the inane terrorist propaganda we see from the likes of Osama.

Trust me when I tell you this; Osama lies.
Then why do you so fervently believe whatever he says?

Carry on; I look forward to more of your uninformed desperate defenses using propaganda that can only be made by irrational, uniformed and poorly educated slobs who could care less about your asinine assertions about how we brought on the attacks of 9-11.
Carry on; I look forward to more of your uninformed desperate defenses using propaganda that can only be made by irrational, uniformed and poorly educated slobs who could care less about your asinine assertions about how we brought on the attacks of 9-11.
 
I have no idea what the last bit means but this political and social engineering was inherently Atheistic.
Meaning that the religious already have a mind set which makes them susceptible to following an authoritarian philosophy. Take away their religion and they will look for someone to tell them what they should believe and do.

No the political and social engineering was not inherently Atheistic. There was no movement to organize the country in an atheistic manner but rather to simply usurp the religious power base. They claimed the removal of religion was because it is inherently despotic and shackles the mind but the truth was that they wanted that despotic power for themselves and hoped to keep the chains firmly in place. This is very different than an atheist ideal... because there is no such thing.
 
He did it in the name of Marxist materialism which is Atheistic. In the same way the Hapsburg inquisition did it in the name not of religion but Roman Catholicism.
reread what you wrote and I think you'll see the flaw in that reasoning.
 
Meaning that the religious already have a mind set which makes them susceptible to following an authoritarian philosophy. Take away their religion and they will look for someone to tell them what they should believe and do.

That's just bull**** altogether. You can provide no proof of this assertion.
 
So you think blathering a forum thread with nonsensical remarks is somehow productive and amusing?

Your comment was offensive and could hardly be considered as a "joke" because it mirrors your views of Christians; for something to be funny, it has to be OBVIOUS in its irony.

In your case, it is more in line with your previous inane assertions about religion. Your desperate efforts to suggest this was intended to be “humor” offensive as that is even, can only be believed by the gullible. I guess Captain Courtesy is first in that line.

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Oh God - Cry me a river build a bridge and get the **** over it. You're defending torture but the minute somebody cracks a joke about Jesus you become a bigger fag then New Coup? Why don't you go suck the dick of somebody who cares enough to listen to your problems and sensitivities. You silly politically correct douche bag.
 
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Moderator's Warning:
Everyone needs to knock off the attacks.
 
My guts churn seeing those photos.

At least once a day the various horrors of 911 should be shown on the major networks for a minute or so.

It just might sober up some folks on the left.

.
I think that would be easily manipulated by the government. "This is why you cannot have rights, because terrorists want to kill you."
 
It was people on the right who acted drunk, going after an entire country who did not attack us and letting the person responsible for 9/11 go free. Now, I ask you, "Why did Bush let Bin Laden go free?" Seems to me that should piss you off. Yet it doesn't. Why is that? :confused:

Another goofy outright fabrication in order to support your whacked out Liberal views. Why would I not find this surprising?

Reading this, it is OBVIOUS why people like you will never actually "get it."
:rofl
 
I think that would be easily manipulated by the government. "This is why you cannot have rights, because terrorists want to kill you."

Once again, what "rights" have been taken from you by the previous administration in order to ensure your safety?

I keep asking what this "perceived" loss of rights is and have yet to see anyone make a coherent argument that they have suffered from the Patriot Act or any ACT by the Bush Administration.

Only in a nation as spoiled as the USA has become can you have citizens claiming that their Government is evil for trying to protect them from terrorists.

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Moderator's Warning:
Everyone needs to knock off the attacks.

Another goofy outright fabrication in order to support your whacked out Liberal views. Why would I not find this surprising?

Reading this, it is OBVIOUS why people like you will never actually "get it."
:rofl



Yeah... I think you get the point.
 
Once again, what "rights" have been taken from you by the previous administration in order to ensure your safety?

I keep asking what this "perceived" loss of rights is and have yet to see anyone make a coherent argument that they have suffered from the Patriot Act or any ACT by the Bush Administration.

Only in a nation as spoiled as the USA has become can you have citizens claiming that their Government is evil for trying to protect them from terrorists.

:roll:
How about the right to Habeas Corpus? :doh
 
Stalin did it in the name of Atheism? Sorry that doesn't cut it, he didn't do it for atheism.

All one has to do is simply neglect to declare their actions in the name of a deity and *poof* it's atheist.
 
Once again, what "rights" have been taken from you by the previous administration in order to ensure your safety?

I keep asking what this "perceived" loss of rights is and have yet to see anyone make a coherent argument that they have suffered from the Patriot Act or any ACT by the Bush Administration.

Only in a nation as spoiled as the USA has become can you have citizens claiming that their Government is evil for trying to protect them from terrorists.

:roll:

The right to privacy in not having your phone calls and emails recorded by the government

The right to legal defense if you are somehow unlucky enough to be labeled an enemy combatant

That's two....there are many more...especially concerning the expectation of soldiers regarding the time of their service
 
Oh God - Cry me a river build a bridge and get the **** over it. You're defending torture but the minute somebody cracks a joke about Jesus you become a bigger fag then New Coup? Why don't you go suck the dick of somebody who cares enough to listen to your problems and sensitivities. You silly politically correct douche bag.

If anyone could come up with a post so obviously violating forum rules and civility, you have surpassed yourself on this one Hatuey.

I know, you just can't help yourself because you must be one of those "tolerant" Liberals. :rofl
 
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