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    Arrow Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    What I find of particular interest is the following part of that article:

    Quote Originally Posted by CNN on a Pew Research Center survey
    The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals. Just over three in 10 of them said torture is never justified.
    The reason I find it interesting is because evangelical Christians tend to be regarded by non-Christians and the non-religious as being less tolerant and more cruel than their "mainstream" counterparts.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigga NoCa$h View Post
    The reason I find it interesting is because evangelical Christians tend to be regarded by non-Christians and the non-religious as being less tolerant and more cruel than their "mainstream" counterparts.
    Ah yes, we evangelicals are terribly cruel. It's horrible that we often run Crisis Pregnancy Centers, trying to help young girls with unwanted babies to deal with it without abortions. We are heartless for running soup kitchens and outreach programs and paying for them out of our pockets. Our cruelty knows no bounds when we send missionaries into the Amazon, bringing not only the Bible but medical care and other aid to primitive natives at great personal peril.

    Sometimes, we even go around knocking on doors and inviting people to come to church on Sunday...OH THE HORRORS!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Ah yes, we evangelicals are terribly cruel. It's horrible that we often run Crisis Pregnancy Centers, trying to help young girls with unwanted babies to deal with it without abortions. We are heartless for running soup kitchens and outreach programs and paying for them out of our pockets. Our cruelty knows no bounds when we send missionaries into the Amazon, bringing not only the Bible but medical care and other aid to primitive natives at great personal peril.

    Sometimes, we even go around knocking on doors and inviting people to come to church on Sunday...OH THE HORRORS!!!

    PUH-leese.

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    Defensive much? Alongside "your" virtuous and noble deeds, there've also been bigoted and hateful things evangelicals have been known to say and do and stand behind in support, or are you implying such simply has never been the case?

    Not that I'm saying "you" are all that way, of course, or any way in particular, but I do think it's absurd for you to raise any objections against others' negative impressions of "you" as though "you" were being unfairly maligned, when not only do people have these impressions flawed in terms of being irrational generalizing as they may be for a reason but that you are very likely similarly ignorant and prejudiced in a similar way but regarding a different demographic and for similarly based on experiences and hearsay.

    It would be rather nice if you stopped charging the homeless in this country to sleep in "your" shelters, though. I can honestly say I don't recall a single instance in which Jesus charged anything for his charity.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    30 Million is still more then the inquisition managed to kill.
    The Jacobins rivaled the inquisition in a few years and it was not the inquisition that did most of the killing, the secular authorities did that. The inquisitions death tolls over centuries in many countries is only in the tens of thousands I think.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Whenever you get a group of humans together, the side with the most power/people/authority/money whatever, tends to be the most likely to be assholes.

    If you get 100 people, and 51 beleive in X and 49 That believe in Y folks and put them in a room and clearly announce that the minorty is the Y believers...

    The X folks are more likely to be jerks.

    That's just human nature.

    You see it in daily life, you see it in churches. If you get a bunch of holy rollers and toss in an athiest, you can bet the athiest is gonna have a hard time, reverse the situation, and the holy roller will be miserable, and marginalized.


    Both sides of the relgion divide have nice, caring good people that won't act like jerks, and they have those who wear their arrogance on their shirts.

    I can ignore atheist, I feel sorry for them. When a self proclaimed Christian (of any flavor) starts touting how great they are because they believe, I get annoyed.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Dude, in this entire thread there are several leftists doing their best to characterize Christianity in general, and evangelicals in particular, as bloodly-minded ghouls who would be glad to torture infidels to bloody rags until they convert, confess, or whatever.

    I think some one has us confused with Islamic extremists. I've heard people making that very comparison often enough to be tired of it. Militant atheists act like we want to institute theocracy and burn heretics at the stake if we dare suggest that maybe, just maybe, it wouldn't hurt anyone to allow a voluntary bible study class in public schools?

    I'm tired of having to point out that there's a huge difference between Christian "fundamentalists", whose worst "offenses" are they oppose gay marriage and abortion; and Islamic fundamentalists, who spawn dozens of suicide bombers and worse every year.

    So the US waterboarded some known terrorists. We also waterboard our own soldiers in SERE training. This is not the same "torture" as that word typically evokes, images of saws and blades, knives and severed body parts.

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    Unhappy Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Whenever you get a group of humans together, the side with the most power/people/authority/money whatever, tends to be the most likely to be assholes.

    If you get 100 people, and 51 beleive in X and 49 That believe in Y folks and put them in a room and clearly announce that the minorty is the Y believers...

    The X folks are more likely to be jerks.

    That's just human nature.

    You see it in daily life, you see it in churches. If you get a bunch of holy rollers and toss in an athiest, you can bet the athiest is gonna have a hard time, reverse the situation, and the holy roller will be miserable, and marginalized.


    Both sides of the relgion divide have nice, caring good people that won't act like jerks, and they have those who wear their arrogance on their shirts.

    I can ignore atheist, I feel sorry for them. When a self proclaimed Christian (of any flavor) starts touting how great they are because they believe, I get annoyed.
    Yeah, I get rather tired of my fellow atheists and agnostics acting like total jerks and then claiming that it's the religious (always focusing on Christians and forgetting that word includes Buddhists and even obscure sects like Kabbalists) who have the monopoly on ignorant bigotry and irrational hatred, and then go so far as to justify it with either alleged "right" of puerile retaliation or by laying down the victim trump. It's funny, in a way if idiocy amuses you to see in them a mirror image of the religious believers they cry foul at.

    Part of the reason I don't really involve myself with them any more than I do with religious people: people are likely to be jerks, either in general or under in certain situations.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    I wonder what percentage of homosexuals in this country support torture? Seeing as how their's is the only demographic that seems to matter anymore...
    What? How did that have anything to do with the topic at hand? Anything? No, didn't think so.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The Jacobins rivaled the inquisition in a few years and it was not the inquisition that did most of the killing, the secular authorities did that. The inquisitions death tolls over centuries in many countries is only in the tens of thousands I think.
    Again, I was speaking of the numbers that the Inquisition tortured, not the killings. Obviously, history's mass murderers outrank the Catholic Church in body count.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    But nobody goes to church for any number of years and then get to claim they don't believe in God while still going to that church.
    Why not? Uniterians do it all the time.

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