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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

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    Why would you attend a religious service if you're not actually religious? I mean. It's one thing to attend a religious service and say you don't buy into the social agenda of the church(abortion, guns, children etc). But nobody goes to church for any number of years and then get to claim they don't believe in God while still going to that church.
    There's a difference between claiming that you are religious and actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion. Further, plenty of people go to church for the socialization or out of sense of duty or obligation.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

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    There's a difference between claiming that you are religious and actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion. Further, plenty of people go to church for the socialization or out of sense of duty.
    So then you don't agree with the definition of religious. From what I've read from you somebody who is religious wouldn't **** outside of marriage(actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion). To me it's anybody who goes to church and believes in the God of X-Religion.

    This is kind of like arguing that Jallman is not actually gay because he's opposed to what he considers stereotypical militant homosexuality while NCFY is the only real gay because he submits to stereotypical militant homosexuality. Only you know. At the end of the day they both sleep with men.

    But look. If you wanna get technical :

    religious - definition of religious by the Free Online Dictionary, Thesaurus and Encyclopedia.

    1. Having or showing belief in and reverence for God or a deity.
    2. Of, concerned with, or teaching religion: a religious text.

    3. Extremely scrupulous or conscientious: religious devotion to duty.
    n. pl. religious
    A member of a monastic order, especially a nun or monk.
    religious - Definition from the Merriam-Webster Online Dictionary

    1: relating to or manifesting faithful devotion to an acknowledged ultimate reality or deity <a religious person> <religious attitudes>

    2: of, relating to, or devoted to religious beliefs or observances <joined a religious order>
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then you don't agree with the definition of religious. From what I've read from you somebody who is religious wouldn't **** outside of marriage(actually acting in accordance with and following the tenets of that religion). To me it's anybody who goes to church and believes in the God of X-Religion. This is kind of like arguing that Jallman is not actually gay because he's opposed to what he considers stereotypical militant homosexuality while NCFY is the only real gay because he submits to stereotypical militant homosexuality.
    There's more to being religious than just believing in GOD, at least to me. But also remember, being religious, and those tenets are not black or white; there is a matter of degree. To me, being kind to your fellow man, something that is often professed in most religions, is an important component to being religious. However, that does not mean if you say something nasty, once, your ability to identify as religious is revoked.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Levels of degree in my book. Even the definitions are open to that kind of interpretation.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

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    There's more to being religious than just believing in GOD, at least to me. But also remember, being religious, and those tenets are not black or white; there is a matter of degree. To me, being kind to your fellow man, something that is often professed in most religions, is an important component to being religious. However, that does not mean if you say something nasty, once, your ability to identify as religious is revoked.
    So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    It was mostly a joke. Calm down.
    I'm wondering how well you would react to a joke that involved Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X and a Klan meeting, that reflected negatively on the two men.

    I suspect the answer is "not well".

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
    James 1:27": Pure religion and undefiled before God and the Father is this, To visit the fatherless and widows in their affliction, and to keep himself unspotted from the world.
    Here's the Bible's definition of religion. Welcome to religion my friend.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    So then you don't agree with the dictionary's definition of religious because you don't think it is accurate. If I'm an atheist but I'm kind to my fellow man does that mean I'm religious? Sorry. But it does not. Being kind has absolutely nothing to do with religion. I know people who are complete assholes and yet go to church like clockwork because they believe in God. The standard for being religious is simply believing in (insert religious diety here). If somebody believes Jesus Christ died for their sins but they don't kneel in front of a man every weekend does that mean they're no longer religious? You're arguing what the definition of 'is' is.
    Hatuey, I already said it's a matter of degree and a matter of what the tenets of that religion are. If an atheist is good to their fellow man are they religious? Is that a tenet of atheism that indicates that to be true? No, so the answer is no.

    I'm not arguing what the definition of "is" is, you're arguing it's either "black or white". It isn't.
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    This is what I hate about politics the most, it turns people in snobbish egotistical self righteous dicks who allow their political beliefs, partisan attitudes, and 'us vs. them' mentality, to force them to deny reality.

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    See with you around Captain we don't even have to make arguments, as you already know everything .
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm wondering how well you would react to a joke that involved Dr. Martin Luther King, Malcom X and a Klan meeting, that reflected negatively on the two men.

    I suspect the answer is "not well".
    Don't really care. Ask Jallman.
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