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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    The only thing that preserves my honor and my morality is, to borrow from Cyrano, three feet of steel.
    Poor you.
    Therein lies the error of your philosophy. The civil restraints men of honor impose upon their conflicts are not the preservative of honor and morality, but are rather preserved by the conjoined honor and morality of every adversary; they are the conclusion, not the predicate. When even one adversary lays aside that honor and morality, and shreds the civil restraints previously maintained, that adversary invites upon himself the same unrestrained horrors he visits upon others. Against such an adversary, to refuse him the horrors he craves would a most ungentlemanly act.
    This is incorrect. If one acts in such away he becomes as bad as his opponent and such a way of thinking is often hard to stop from spreading. Such morality and honour is as much for yourself as your opponent.

    It not only easily moves towards the horrors of war, the honorable man accelerates their movement. The honorable man does not shrink from the task at hand, regardless of how unpleasant or distasteful it may be.
    He knows that their must always be restraint lest all such rules dissolve and endanger what he seeks to defend. Your anything goes attitude is despicable, no society can function with it, it corrupts the very bonds of society itself.

    You imply above that you even accept the idea that taking an enemies children hostage and killing them is okay. Perhaps you simply did not read this but it is not a position worthy of a man who would call himself civilised.


    There is no victory in sacrificing friends, family, or countrymen for the sake of benighted principle. Dead kin are a disgrace when strength and fortitude might have saved them.
    Rubbish. To save them when it takes betraying the very principle and honour they have instilled in you is the creed of a savage. It turns them a lot of what they are and mean to nothing, simply the most animal of bonds.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You imply above that you even accept the idea that taking an enemies children hostage and killing them is okay. Perhaps you simply did not read this but it is not a position worthy of a man who would call himself civilised.
    Your pardon, I did not mean to imply. I should have stated explicitly:

    If a man wages war on my family, I will hunt him, his family, his children, his friends, and any he holds dear. If a man confines his conflict to me, I shall happily confine my conflict to him, and shall happily provide him with a decent burial to salute his honorable death.

    If that makes me uncivilized in your eyes, then I shall proudly call myself uncivilized.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Your pardon, I did not mean to imply. I should have stated explicitly:

    If a man wages war on my family, I will hunt him, his family, his children, his friends, and any he holds dear. If a man confines his conflict to me, I shall happily confine my conflict to him, and shall happily provide him with a decent burial to salute his honorable death.

    If that makes me uncivilized in your eyes, then I shall proudly call myself uncivilized.
    You are uncivilised.

    This Jacobin-esque barbarism will destroy the last of what remains of civilisation, society and freedom.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    You are uncivilised.
    From such as you, high praise indeed.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Yall are cattier than the Winter Garden.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

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    Yall are cattier than the Winter Garden.
    Yes, but hopefully with better writing

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    But less originality....

    From such as you, high praise indeed.
    Well the savage often revel in their barbarity.

    To have pride in one's sins does not make one less of a sinner. It makes him simply more of a fool.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Your pardon, I did not mean to imply. I should have stated explicitly:

    If a man wages war on my family, I will hunt him, his family, his children, his friends, and any he holds dear. If a man confines his conflict to me, I shall happily confine my conflict to him, and shall happily provide him with a decent burial to salute his honorable death.

    If that makes me uncivilized in your eyes, then I shall proudly call myself uncivilized.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This was a pretty interesting read.

    Survey: Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful - CNN.com

    The statistics show that the more often you attend church... the more likely to support torture. When I read this I found it interesting but not surprising. Thoughts?
    Not a surprise since it was the religious that invented it. You know, Hell?
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    This was a pretty interesting read.

    Survey: Support for terror suspect torture differs among the faithful - CNN.com

    The statistics show that the more often you attend church... the more likely to support torture. When I read this I found it interesting but not surprising. Thoughts?
    Well quite simply, we can justify it.

    I think it's reasonable to assume that in the absence of religion one has a more muddied ethical sense and would tend to err on the side of caution.

    With a clear ethical sense that religion typically brings, the boundaries are more easily defined and the overbearence of caution isn't necessary.

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