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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Aww, look at the cute little Freepers, joking about torture. Har har.
    Aw, look at the little Leftist, forgetting that THIS could have happened AGAIN:

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    ...and almost did.

    At that size you may not be able to tell what the second pic is...its two people who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11 to avoid burning to death, holding hands as they fall.

    Does anyone still remember how you felt that day?
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Aw, look at the little Leftist, forgetting that THIS could have happened AGAIN:

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    ...and almost did.
    Goshin, you are fast becoming one of my favorite posters here so I will let you in on a little secret...

    WillRockwell is a mindless troll and feeding it will only result in it ****ting up the threads all the more. Let it go. Just let it go.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Aw, look at the little Leftist, forgetting that THIS could have happened AGAIN:

    911one.jpg

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    ...and almost did.

    At that size you may not be able to tell what the second pic is...its two people who jumped from the twin towers on 9/11 to avoid burning to death, holding hands as they fall.

    Does anyone still remember how you felt that day?
    Well that certainly is better then the Catholic Church and Illuminati starting up the Crusades again, and persecuting innocent Muslim terrorists.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    To save American lives I have no limits on how far I'd go.
    What a statement, what a statement.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What a statement, what a statement.

    The glory of European civilisation is extinguished forever as Burke once commented.
    I think that was accomplished long before now. I would start with the inbreeding of Europe's royalty for hundreds of years.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I think that was accomplished long before now. I would start with the inbreeding of Europe's royalty for hundreds of years.
    America is part of European civilisation.

    I'd start with the Jacobism myself although you could go back further, but it ends all the same. Anything is to be done to accomplish one's needs, presumably that includes murder on a grand scale. If the enemy won't quit I know let's take his children hostage an ddumb them in mass graves, after all it will "save American lives".

    As a Conservative man I find such base utiliatarianism, such barbarism, to be repugnant. It is one's family, his community, his country that teaches him his morals to a significant degree, exactly how such baseness that flies in the face of this morality and honour, that must inevitably spread its infenction, that comes from them helps them I don't know. It seem simply to destroy that necessary veil of civilisation that must always support power or barbarism will take its place.

    All the pleasing illusions which made power gentle and obedience liberal, which harmonized the different shades of life, and which, by a bland assimilation, incorporated into politics the sentiments which beautify and soften private society, are to be dissolved by this new conquering empire of light and reason. All the decent drapery of life is to be rudely torn off. All the super-added ideas, furnished from the wardrobe of a moral imagination, which the heart owns and the understanding ratifies as necessary to cover the defects of our naked, shivering nature, and to raise it to dignity in our own estimation, are to be exploded as a ridiculous, absurd, and antiquated fashion......

    ....On the scheme of this barbarous philosophy, which is the offspring of cold hearts and muddy understandings, and which is as void of solid wisdom as it is destitute of all taste and elegance, laws are to be supported only by their own terrors and by the concern which each individual may find in them from his own private speculations or can spare to them from his own private interests. In the groves of their academy, at the end of every vista, you see nothing but the gallows. Nothing is left which engages the affections on the part of the commonwealth. On the principles of this mechanic philosophy, our institutions can never be embodied, if I may use the expression, in persons, so as to create in us love, veneration, admiration, or attachment. But that sort of reason which banishes the affections is incapable of filling their place. These public affections, combined with manners, are required sometimes as supplements, sometimes as correctives, always as aids to law. The precept given by a wise man, as well as a great critic, for the construction of poems is equally true as to states: Non satis est pulchra esse poemata, dulcia sunto. There ought to be a system of manners in every nation which a well-informed mind would be disposed to relish. To make us love our country, our country ought to be lovely.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    I'd start with the Jacobism myself although you could go back further, but it ends all the same. Anything is to be done to accomplish one's needs, presumably that includes murder on a grand scale. If the enemy won't quit I know let's take his children hostage an ddumb them in mass graves, after all it will "save American lives".
    If an enemy will not stop no matter what, what options would remain? Limits only work if they flow in both directions.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    As a Conservative man I find such base utiliatarianism, such barbarism, to be repugnant. It is one's family, his community, his country that teaches him his morals to a significant degree, exactly how such baseness that flies in the face of this morality and honour, that must inevitably spread its infenction, that comes from them helps them I don't know. It seem simply to destroy that necessary veil of civilisation that must always support power or barbarism will take its place.
    As a man with family and friends near and dear, I find such foppish altruism to be repugnant. A man of respect defends his home and his family to the very last--he holds nothing back. The world has little need of the misshapen "honor" that sacrifices kin and comrades rather than venture into bloody battle with a barbarian horde.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    If an enemy will not stop no matter what, what options would remain? Limits only work if they flow in both directions.
    The limits are as much for the preservation of your honour and morality, things partially formed and reflected on and by your family, community and country, as anything else.

    They keep this vile baseness that you support at bay, they help to maintain something of civility and freedom, against this vileness that will spread and infect all once the veil in torn asunder.

    On the scheme of this barbarous philosophy, which is the offspring of cold hearts and muddy understandings, and which is as void of solid wisdom as it is destitute of all taste and elegance, laws are to be supported only by their own terrors


    But at least you admit where this philosophy will first end up, you do not contradict that it easily moves to such practices as I cited above.
    As a man with family and friends near and dear, I find such foppish altruism to be repugnant. A man of respect defends his home and his family to the very last--he holds nothing back. The world has little need of the misshapen "honor" that sacrifices kin and comrades rather than venture into bloody battle with a barbarian horde.
    A man of respect, a conservative man, knows that his family and community have given him his morality, his personality to quite a degree and to sacrifice it to simply do anything to give them the basest security is to betray them and to partly pervert their victory and what will flow from it.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigga NoCa$h View Post

    I like how a poll of a few hundred WHITE people is being used to define entire denominations.
    Kinda funny how that works with Christianity but not Islam......
    Oh and Whites but not blacks, hispanics, asians, etc....
    I fail to see how a person who can read and understand clear and plain English has arrived at such a conclusion. It not only isn't stated or implied in the article but it isn't in the Pew Research Center survey documentation, either. Not only that, but their description of their survey methodology doesn't indicate any cause for a strong ethnic cultural bias:

    Its clearly stated in the article.

    From the article....

    The analysis is based on a Pew Research Center survey of 742 American adults conducted April 14-21. It did not include analysis of groups other than white evangelicals, white non-Hispanic Catholics, white mainline Protestants and the religiously unaffiliated, because the sample size was too small. See results of the survey
    With that in mind.

    White evangelical Protestants were the religious group most likely to say torture is often or sometimes justified -- more than six in 10 supported it. People unaffiliated with any religious organization were least likely to back it. Only four in 10 of them did.
    Now apply the first quote to that..Note the underlined.

    The article is obvious in its intent and ridiculous in its foundation.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    The limits are as much for the preservation of your honour and morality, things partially formed and reflected on and by your family, community and country, as anything else.
    The only thing that preserves my honor and my morality is, to borrow from Cyrano, three feet of steel.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    They keep this vile baseness that you support at bay, they help to maintain something of civility and freedom, against this vileness that will spread and infect all once the veil in torn asunder.
    Therein lies the error of your philosophy. The civil restraints men of honor impose upon their conflicts are not the preservative of honor and morality, but are rather preserved by the conjoined honor and morality of every adversary; they are the conclusion, not the predicate. When even one adversary lays aside that honor and morality, and shreds the civil restraints previously maintained, that adversary invites upon himself the same unrestrained horrors he visits upon others. Against such an adversary, to refuse him the horrors he craves would a most ungentlemanly act.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    But at least you admit where this philosophy will first end up, you do not contradict that it easily moves to such practices as I cited above.
    It not only easily moves towards the horrors of war, the honorable man accelerates their movement. The honorable man does not shrink from the task at hand, regardless of how unpleasant or distasteful it may be.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    A man of respect, a conservative man, knows that his family and community have given him his morality, his personality to quite a degree and to sacrifice it to simply do anything to give them the basest security is to betray them and to partly pervert their victory and what will flow from it.
    There is no victory in sacrificing friends, family, or countrymen for the sake of benighted principle. Dead kin are a disgrace when strength and fortitude might have saved them.

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