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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    That method (aka. Barryboarding) is quite possibly one of the most horrible torture methods known to man. One would have to be truly diabolical to employ such a nightmarish technique.
    Yeah but they deserve it...

    Maybe we could take it to the next level by forcing them to watch barbra streisand and oprah winfrey having sex...

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    To save American lives I have no limits on how far I'd go.
    And just what do LOGIC, COMMON SENSE and HONESTY have to do with this debate?


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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Yeah but they deserve it...

    Maybe we could take it to the next level by forcing them to watch barbra streisand and oprah winfrey having sex...
    Okay it is official; there is no limit to the extreme methods you are willing to use to extract information intended to save innocent lives.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by cherokee View Post
    Yeah but they deserve it...

    Maybe we could take it to the next level by forcing them to watch barbra streisand and oprah winfrey having sex...
    *shudder*

    But see, that goes beyond torture. Alone those things would be torturous, but together they are lethal.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by dclxvinoise View Post
    *shudder*

    But see, that goes beyond torture. Alone those things would be torturous, but together they are lethal.
    In all seriousness I did throw up on my keyboard.....


    I better watch out the UN might try to write me a nasty letter.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    And just what do LOGIC, COMMON SENSE and HONESTY have to do with this debate?

    I dont know what I was thinking.......




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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So... just curious.

    Would forcing someone to listen to Barry Manilow 24/7 constitute torture?

    I think it would. But I have no objection to them doing it.

    Yes, behind Captain America's cool, muscular exterior, lies the blackest of hearts.
    Liberals probably think Sheriff Joe practices torture.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    That's right pure speculation, and you're veering way off topic now by trying to apply the Crusades to modern Christians.
    So it's pure speculation to blame atheism for the actions of Mao, Stalin, Hitler? Also, I didn't apply the Crusades to modern Christians. I said that had they the tools that the Communists had, they would have done well more damage than they had (by that I don't mean the holy wars would have out killed the communists, but rather that the the holy wars would have done more damage with the tools wielded by the Communists than they did without having those tools available to them). Had the people who waged all those holy wars which dominated human history the modern tools employed by the Communists, they would have done more damage than they did. You can call that "speculation" if you want; but it's one based on the history of warfare and human behavior. Educated guess more than speculation, in fact just about a guarantee.

    People want to compare raw numbers and then blame the actions of the Communists on atheism. But the raw numbers don't take into account differing periods of history, so it's a false comparison. Not to mention that atheism was not the cause nor enabler of the brutality demonstrated by the Communists and other despots in human history.

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    If you want to get right down to it, I don't blame religion in general on any of the holy wars fought by man either. I blame it on man, I think we have a terrible ability to wage war and destroy and we partake in that well too often. Had religion not been there, the vast majority of those wars would still have been fought because the wars were about political power, land, money, etc. The standard sort of things that we kill each other over. I do think that sometimes the use of religion had made it easier to convince people that the war was righteous and needed to be fought. As that, I think that the underlying religion itself gets warped and abused to turn into propaganda so that the State can justify its aggression. Religion was oft used as the control mechanism. Now in the Communist regimes, atheism was not the control mechanism, it was fear...fear of this battle station. They killed people because no one could challenge the State, not even gods. The State was supreme and it ruled through an iron fist. Oppose the State and die. In any way. And even belief in a higher being was taken as opposition to the State.

    I think the understanding of this abuse and misuse of their religion is what ultimately got Christianity out of government. In the end, they themselves saw theocracy as bad because the mixing of Church and State produced means by which the religion itself could be corrupted. So we removed the Church from the State and became truly secular governments. [/edit]
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    So... just curious.

    Would forcing someone to listen to Barry Manilow 24/7 constitute torture?
    No. Barry Manilow is "enhanced interrogation."

    For it to be torture, use Celine Dion.

    For it to be a crime against humanity, use Britney Spears.

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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Aww, look at the cute little Freepers, joking about torture. Har har.


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