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    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    Religious people are statistically more likely to support torture because evangelicals tend to be conservative and nationalist. Nationalists are much more apt to support the actions of their government when its deemed necessary for defense.
    Read the latter part of that article: it's actually the more "mainstream" Protestants that are more likely to support torture and the evangelicals are less inclined to.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigga NoCa$h View Post
    Read the latter part of that article: it's actually the more "mainstream" Protestants that are more likely to support torture and the evangelicals are less inclined to.
    You are mistaken:

    The religious group most likely to say torture is never justified was Protestant denominations -- such as Episcopalians, Lutherans and Presbyterians -- categorized as "mainline" Protestants, in contrast to evangelicals.
    This makes sense as mainline protestants tend to be more moderate to liberal and more concerned with social justice / peace / poverty, while evangelicals tend to be more conservative and more nationalist.
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    Unhappy Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by SouthernDemocrat View Post
    You are mistaken:



    This makes sense as mainline protestants tend to be more moderate to liberal and more concerned with social justice / peace / poverty, while evangelicals tend to be more conservative and more nationalist.
    Oh, damn, you're right! I misread that. Sorry, but I'm still in the throes of a rather brain-addling flu.

    And, it's true about the mainstream denominations because I happen to get free meals from Episcopalians and Lutherans and they are very tolerant and don't force sermons on us, and in fact I believe the Episcopal church has a gay pastor.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    I like how a poll of a few hundred WHITE people is being used to define entire denominations.
    Kinda funny how that works with Christianity but not Islam......
    Oh and Whites but not blacks, hispanics, asians, etc....
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    Question Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    I like how a poll of a few hundred WHITE people is being used to define entire denominations.
    Kinda funny how that works with Christianity but not Islam......
    Oh and Whites but not blacks, hispanics, asians, etc....
    I fail to see how a person who can read and understand clear and plain English has arrived at such a conclusion. It not only isn't stated or implied in the article but it isn't in the Pew Research Center survey documentation, either. Not only that, but their description of their survey methodology doesn't indicate any cause for a strong ethnic cultural bias:
    Quote Originally Posted by Pew Research Center
    The typical Pew Research Center for the People & the Press national survey selects a random digit sample of both landline and cell phone numbers in the continental United States...

    ...The sample is then weighted using population parameters for all households with adults 18 years of age or older from the U.S. Census Bureau. The parameters for age, education, race/ethnicity, and region are from the Current Population Survey's March 2007 Annual Social and Economic Supplement and the parameter for population density is from the Decennial Census...
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Nigga NoCa$h View Post
    What does that have to do with anything I said?

    That is what we students of logic call a straw man, because you are bringing up something entirely different and placing into the argument and attacking it, rather than actually refuting my assertion.

    And, what does being socially or politically liberal or conservative have to do with acknowledging foreign policy blunders?
    Is this thead about foreign policy, or religious people?
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by The silenced majority View Post
    Poll finds broad approval of terrorist torture - Americas- msnbc.com

    hmmmm it seems that there is broad support for "torture" all accross the globe, but hey, never miss a good chance to demonize religious people.
    Interesting, I scanned through some of the articles on Pew Research polls. Seems Pew research appears rather shallow, and of questionable usefullness. Or maybe it's just poor quality reporting by CNN.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by joko104 View Post
    I suspect who has tortured and mass murdered more people were atheists such as Stalin, Mao, Hitler...

    nice try at supporting religious bigotry though.
    I suspect has religion had the means those other guys had, they would have done well more damage. Hitler wasn't exactly an atheist either. And none of those people killed in the name of atheism.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I suspect has religion had the means those other guys had, they would have done well more damage. Hitler wasn't exactly an atheist either. And none of those people killed in the name of atheism.
    Sorry, this is pure speculation.
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    Re: Religious tend to support torture more often

    Quote Originally Posted by American View Post
    Sorry, this is pure speculation.
    Yeah...cause they totally weren't out after certain groups like in the Crusades and Inquisitions....right? Totally not. They only killed the absolute smallest possible and wouldn't have used technology to secure victory by utterly destroying their foe; would they? Nope, pure speculation...not based on anything like theocratic war and history and human nature. Nope...just pure speculation.
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