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The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

Ikari said:
Ok, that's a fair enough. There are many segments of the E&M spectrum used and regulated for various purposes. I suppose in that which the FCC is concerned with, I'll specifically refer to it as television and radio.
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Yes, there is a valid reason for the FCC's existance, but we need to change the management. Any organization which create standards based around the desires of .003% of the population when the other 99.997% don't seem to agree is in dire need of competence.
 
obvious Child said:
Yes, there is a valid reason for the FCC's existance, but we need to change the management. Any organization which create standards based around the desires of .003% of the population when the other 99.997% don't seem to agree is in dire need of competence.
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I don't wish for the total abolition of the FCC. I think it has proper role to uphold property rights. In that I mean police piracy of the airwaves. I just don't think they should be in the censorship department as they are government agency. Instead, I think proper consumer pressure can regulate well enough without the need for the FCCs interference.
 
Ikari said:
This is sad truth. Actual property rights have been chipped away at for some time. You can not have allodial title to pieces of property. I think that one reason we should press to restore power to property rights; it's extremely important.
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You realize it is going in the other direction and the velocity is increasing. ;)

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Kandahar said:
Nope. Inciting panic is a crime, as it should be, since people can die as a result. That has WHAT to do with freaking out over a nipple on television?
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But it is an infringement on your 1st amendment rights.

You see, when it comes to the public, its safety and content, one must also assume there will be limited restrictions.

Clamoring for total unrestricted airspace, while giving you a warm feeling perhaps, has not been the will of a majority opinion in this country where the majority still happens to be of religious persuasion and have children.

I do not see the BIG issue here other than a feigned desire to blather about perceived limits to freedoms when there are far bigger freedoms and issues being taken from you.

My first comment was merely to explain why doing away with the FCC was an idiotic assertion made in a vacuum of the facts and reality of unregulated airwaves and to defend what has been a majority opinion for some time; that content supplied over the airwaves be moderated for the times they are aired to protect children from potentially being exposed to that content and many of the adults who would be offended even by accidental access.

Its no big deal unless you want to shriek emotional about every perceived freedom of expression regardless of its impact on your fellow man; why not shriek about the taxation you will be receiving and the confiscation of ever greater amounts of your hard earned wealth; to me that would be time better spent?
 
Ikari said:
I don't wish for the total abolition of the FCC. I think it has proper role to uphold property rights. In that I mean police piracy of the airwaves. I just don't think they should be in the censorship department as they are government agency. Instead, I think proper consumer pressure can regulate well enough without the need for the FCCs interference.
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I'd agree with this. That and the FCC should serve as the initial seller and regulator of frequency transactions. Remember the whole point of going digital was to free up specific frequencies for sale to private sectors.

If people don't like what's on, then they won't watch it. Simple mechanism of the market. I find it real offensive that our tax dollars are being used in such a way that a super tiny minority can force massive fines on programing and stations that the majority clearly don't have a problem with. You'd think that the big free market people would be on our belief. Let the consumers choose what they want to watch.
 
obvious Child said:
You base this on....?

One organization accounted for almost 100% of the FCC's indecency complaints.

One organization which at absolute most claims a million members by its own account (never mind the obvious dubious nature of that) which represents less then 1/300th of our population means the majority agree with you?

Why is that the FCC got no complaints about Saving Private Ryan's public broadcast when that show used the F word?

Oh logic and facts. The Antidote to TD.
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What a trite little insult to end an emotional rant based on your personal opinion and nothing close to the relevant facts or emotional outbursts of like minded individuals on this forum who somehow think that their OPINIONS about decency and child rearing trumps all others.

Now run along, your juvenile rants add nothing to the debate.
 
Truth Detector said:
The majority of the public, myself included do not agree with you Kandahar; remember, the world doesn't revolve around you and Ikari's particular version of mores and feelings on the topic.
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And the world does not revolve around people like you either TD.

Remember that one. You are ok with the government censoring what YOU don't like, but hate it when it censors what you like. There is a word for that....oh yeah HYPOCRISY.

I love it when conservatives cheer when the government steps in to get rid of the F-Bombs, but when they come in to talk about the fair doctrine (Something I don't agree with), then they cry foul.

The only thing true TD, is you take the truth, turn it into a lie, then cheer it on.
 
Truth Detector said:
Clamoring for total unrestricted airspace, while giving you a warm feeling perhaps, has not been the will of a majority opinion in this country where the majority still happens to be of religious persuasion and have children.

I do not see the BIG issue here other than a feigned desire to blather about perceived limits to freedoms when there are far bigger freedoms and issues being taken from you.
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I think this best sums up my own feeling about this issue. Though I'd disagree somewhat with the notion that only those of religious persuasion or with children support public decency standards.

We all have a right to keep our hard-drive full of porn or foul material. We don't have a right to display it in public... whether that's on the sidewalk in front of our home or by 'broadcasting' it to someone else's television set.

I don't know any adult who can't access adult themed material through cable, or DVD, or print. Why anyone would be concerned that their 'free speech rights' are violated by not being able to utter the F-word on CBS or ABC is beyond me.

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Kandahar said:
Two completely different issues. The FCC is perfectly capable of regulating who can broadcast on which frequency, without also regulating F-bombs and wardrobe malfunctions.
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So you believe that a Governmental regulatory body who controls the airwaves should not take complaints made to them about violations to their licenses serious?

When a station is given their license, they contractually agree to the rules; do you think contracts should be meaningless and not have the authority of the law behind them?

You do live in a convenient, but unrealistic world dude.

Again, my ORIGINAL commentary was regarding the absurd notion that airwaves should not be regulated and the specious notion that the regulations that go with it should not be geared to the public’s interest to keep indecency and vulgarities off the public airwaves.
 
Grateful Heart said:
....Though I'd disagree somewhat with the notion that only those of religious persuasion or with children support public decency standards.
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I stand corrected with my assertion, you would be correct, it is NOT only religious persuasions and parents, and it is quite a diverse MAJORITY.
 
TheNextEra said:
And the world does not revolve around people like you either TD.

Remember that one. You are ok with the government censoring what YOU don't like, but hate it when it censors what you like. There is a word for that....oh yeah HYPOCRISY.

I love it when conservatives cheer when the government steps in to get rid of the F-Bombs, but when they come in to talk about the fair doctrine (Something I don't agree with), then they cry foul.

The only thing true TD, is you take the truth, turn it into a lie, then cheer it on.
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It is readily apparent that REALITY and TRUTH are situations you find unfamiliar in your desperate emotional outbursts to divine hypocrisy.

But alas, the facts speak for themselves; the airwaves are regulated for the public’s safety as I asserted, they prevent anarchy and confusion and when one obtains a license, one agrees to the terms required by PUBLIC entities whose regulations come out of the legislature and whose power comes from the people.

What a trite yet absurd juvenile argument to suggest that it is tantamount to censure; but then you specialize in the trite, the simplistic and the juvenile.

You won't be able to build that building without Government approval and abiding with their design criteria; how dare those evil bureaucrats to force their views on you eh?

Carry on; your clown like attempts at debate is more for amusement than for serious consideration.
 
TOJ said:
You realize it is going in the other direction and the velocity is increasing. ;)

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Aye, it is another sad truth. Though I still find that there is reason to try to reverse this course.
 
Truth Detector said:
But it is an infringement on your 1st amendment rights.
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As a Supreme Court Justice (I forget which one) once said, "your freedom to swing your fist ends where my nose begins." That's why you can't scream fire in a movie theatre. You're inciting panic and people will be hurt. There is no similar case to be made from regulating F-bombs and nipples on television.

Truth Detector said:
You see, when it comes to the public, its safety and content, one must also assume there will be limited restrictions.
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Yes, restrictions to protect people from harm, such as libel, slander, inciting panic, or inciting violence. No one is harmed if someone drops an F-bomb on a television show.

Truth Detector said:
Clamoring for total unrestricted airspace, while giving you a warm feeling perhaps, has not been the will of a majority opinion in this country where the majority still happens to be of religious persuasion and have children.
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Either cite a recent opinion poll that the majority of Americans favor government censorship of television, or stop making this claim.

Truth Detector said:
My first comment was merely to explain why doing away with the FCC was an idiotic assertion made in a vacuum of the facts and reality of unregulated airwaves and to defend what has been a majority opinion for some time; that content supplied over the airwaves be moderated for the times they are aired to protect children from potentially being exposed to that content and many of the adults who would be offended even by accidental access.
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You can prohibit your kids from watching certain channels or shows. For that matter, there are gizmos that can block them entirely. And sorry, but someone "accidentally" accessing offensive programming is no excuse to ban it. You could "accidentally" stumble into the adult section of your local video store too...that doesn't mean they shouldn't be allowed to sell those videos.
 
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Truth Detector said:
My first comment was merely to explain why doing away with the FCC was an idiotic assertion made in a vacuum of the facts and reality of unregulated airwaves and to defend what has been a majority opinion for some time; that content supplied over the airwaves be moderated for the times they are aired to protect children from potentially being exposed to that content and many of the adults who would be offended even by accidental access.
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I've yet to see anyone claim the FCC should be done away with in total. This is hyperbole and distortion on your part so that you could try to make a stronger argument.

Also, the majority can wish all they want for whatever they want; but if what they want infringes upon the rights of the minority they can not have their way. If the majority wishes to trample on property and speech rights, I suggest they go wish in one hand and **** in the other, see which one fills up first. The base premise of this country is not one of pure democracy, but rather a Republic built upon the limited use of the government and the upholding of the rights and liberties of the People.
 
Boy, good thing those right wing fatheads, spelled S-C-A-L-I-A, believe in "small" government. Imagine what they would do if say, they wanted to govern the kind of sex you had in your own bedroom! Geez, I guess we're lucky that they're looking out for us, ehh? :doh
 
Truth Detector said:
What a trite little insult to end an emotional rant based on your personal opinion and nothing close to the relevant facts or emotional outbursts of like minded individuals on this forum who somehow think that their OPINIONS about decency and child rearing trumps all others.
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And once again TD resorts to "You're wrong because I say so."

Never mind the actual data and actual facts that clearly show that the indecency complaints received by the FCC are originated by .003% of the public. Furthermore, never mind the actual fact regarding that the FCC received no complaints about the use of the F word during the numerous broadcasts of Saving Private Ryan.
Never mind how the actual data suggests that you are dead wrong. Let's just assume whatever we want, whatever 'facts' we want and ignore all actual empirical data because it blows star sized holes in our arguments.

Now run along, your juvenile rants add nothing to the debate.
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Gotta wonder how many times people say that about you.

And thus ends another episode of wasting time with TD.

"You're wrong."
"because..."
"I SAY SO!"
 
Truth Detector said:
It is readily apparent that REALITY and TRUTH are situations you find unfamiliar in your desperate emotional outbursts to divine hypocrisy.

But alas, the facts speak for themselves; the airwaves are regulated for the public’s safety as I asserted, they prevent anarchy and confusion and when one obtains a license, one agrees to the terms required by PUBLIC entities whose regulations come out of the legislature and whose power comes from the people.

What a trite yet absurd juvenile argument to suggest that it is tantamount to censure; but then you specialize in the trite, the simplistic and the juvenile.

You won't be able to build that building without Government approval and abiding with their design criteria; how dare those evil bureaucrats to force their views on you eh?

Carry on; your clown like attempts at debate is more for amusement than for serious consideration.
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Oh your motivation is quite clear. You feel that censorship that YOU agree with is ok by the government, but you don't want the government censoring things you don't agree with.

Your hypocrisy is still noted and you were called on it.

You only want big brother government censoring things you agree with.

Your truth is known and it is know as hypocrisy.
 
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Quote: Originally Posted by Truth Detector
My first comment was merely to explain why doing away with the FCC was an idiotic assertion made in a vacuum of the facts and reality of unregulated airwaves and to defend what has been a majority opinion for some time; that content supplied over the airwaves be moderated for the times they are aired to protect children from potentially being exposed to that content and many of the adults who would be offended even by accidental access.

Ikari said:
I've yet to see anyone claim the FCC should be done away with in total. This is hyperbole and distortion on your part so that you could try to make a stronger argument.
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So you didn’t make this comment?

Ikari said:
The FCC should be all but abolished. It's only power to police airwave piracy and nothing more.

I hate the ****ing Federal Communist Commission.
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What about this comment?

chevydriver1123 said:
Just another reason why the FCC is a violation of the First Amendment.
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How about this one from your ole pal Kandahar who also has very confused ideas about raising children?

Kandahar said:
Seriously...what purpose does the FCC serve? Anyone?
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But here is the doosie that prompted my original response:

TheNextEra said:
Well conservatives have to protect the public from those obscene 0.4 sec tit shots from Janet Jackson.
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One thing is certain, for a physicist you show an incredible propensity for forgetting what was typed only a few threads back and dragging a debate into never ending circles of futility.

Carry on.
 
TheNextEra said:
Oh your motivation is quite clear. You feel that censorship that YOU agree with is ok by the government, but you don't want the government intruding on censorship you don't agree with.

Your hypocrisy is still noted and you were called on it.

You only want big brother government censoring things you agree with.

Your truth is known and it is know as hypocrisy.
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Well your consistency for being wrong is still safe if you feel those are my motivations and my views.

But lest we forget who the partisan clown of the forum here is, let's re-post your comments:

TheNextEra said:
Well conservatives have to protect the public from those obscene 0.4 sec tit shots from Janet Jackson.
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The notion that you could recognize hypocrisy when you wallow in it every post would require the willing suspension of disbelief.

Carry on. :2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
Well your consistency for being wrong is still safe if you feel those are my motivations and my views.

But lest we forget who the partisan clown of the forum here is, let's re-post your comments:



The notion that you could recognize hypocrisy when you wallow in it every post would require the willing suspension of disbelief.

Carry on. :2wave:
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Are you saying conservatives weren't in an uproar over the tit shot? Sorry, but you lack the intellectual integrity obviously to admit that.

Secondly, you fail to address the FACT AND TRUTH, you are for GOVERNMENT censorship as long as it is something YOU agree with but not for censorship if you don't agree it should be censored by the government.

Turth Detector with egg on his face, how sad.

How un -American, but as we have seen from you not a suprise.
 
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obvious Child said:
And once again TD resorts to "You're wrong because I say so."

Never mind the actual data and actual facts that clearly show that the indecency complaints received by the FCC are originated by .003% of the public. Furthermore, never mind the actual fact regarding that the FCC received no complaints about the use of the F word during the numerous broadcasts of Saving Private Ryan.
Never mind how the actual data suggests that you are dead wrong. Let's just assume whatever we want, whatever 'facts' we want and ignore all actual empirical data because it blows star sized holes in our arguments.
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If you believe that this is about a few complaints to the FCC, then I cannot help you with REALITY or FACTS.

Go back to my very first comments and address those if you feel compelled to blather the forum with more of your childish outbursts.

I am betting you can't even remember what it is you claim I am dead wrong about.

The notion that I could be dead wrong about why there is an FCC and why we have decency requirements for the public airwaves would require the willful suspension of disbelief or your obvious confusion about what the debate is even about.

Carry on; your child like rants are hardly a substitute for credible debate.
 
TheNextEra said:
Are you saying conservatives weren't in an uproar over the tit shot? Sorry, but you lack the intellectual integrity obviously to admit that.

Secondly, you fail to address the FACT AND TRUTH, you are for GOVERNMENT censorship as long as it is something YOU agree with but not for censorship if you don't agree it should be censored by the government.

Turth Detector with egg on his face, how sad.

How un -American, but as we have seen from you not a suprise.
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This coming from the person who wants to censure Rush Limbaugh and Fox News; the irony here is quite comical.

Your attempt to suggest this is a “Conservative” issue requires something beyond willful denial, perhaps willful ignorance?

Do you think the people making these decisions are Republicans? Do you think the person in charge of the FCC is NOT an Obama appointee? Do you have any grasp on reality or do you feel most comfortable when you fabricate perceived evils of Conservatives?

Dismissed; your trolling and baiting is hardly worth the effort other than the slight amusement one gets watching you foam at the mouth. :2wave:
 
Truth Detector said:
This coming from the person who wants to censure Rush Limbaugh and Fox News; the irony here is quite comical.
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You'll have to show me where I EVER wanted Limbaugh's comments censored. Oh yeah you can't, because I never asked for that.

Truth Detector said:
Do you think the people making these decisions are Republicans? Do you think the person in charge of the FCC is NOT an Obama appointee? Do you have any grasp on reality or do you feel most comfortable when you fabricate perceived evils of Conservatives?
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The majority of people that got uupset over the tit shot WERE conservatives. CONSERVATIVES have lead the battle over MORALITY talk on T.V.

THIS IS TRUTH, which is why your name is sooooooooo amusing given you can't accept the truth.

Truth Detector said:
Dismissed; your trolling and baiting is hardly worth the effort other than the slight amusement one gets watching you foam at the mouth. :2wave:
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And your lying about me wanted limbaugh censored is noted.

Have a good day posting your hypocrisy. :2wave:
 
Damn, what a big surprise, TD not coming back to confront the fact he accused me of wanting Fox News and Limbaugh censored, yet not providing proof.

One would say that is a "lie spreader".

Care to back up your proof TD? You are the one said I wanted Limbaugh and Fox News Censored? Or are you going to run away like the last time I confronted you with the truth?
 
TheNextEra said:
The majority of people that got uupset over the tit shot WERE conservatives.
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Prove it.

TheNextEra said:
CONSERVATIVES have lead the battle over MORALITY talk on T.V.
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Two years after beginning a campaign against sexually explicit and violent lyrics on record albums, Tipper Gore has moderated her tone but expanded her scope to include music videos, television programming and video cassettes.

Tipper Gore Widens War on Rock - The New York Times

You sure run your mouth alot, but never back up your codswallup with any tangible proof.

Put up, or shut up.
 
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