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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    Ok, that's a fair enough. There are many segments of the E&M spectrum used and regulated for various purposes. I suppose in that which the FCC is concerned with, I'll specifically refer to it as television and radio.
    Yes, there is a valid reason for the FCC's existance, but we need to change the management. Any organization which create standards based around the desires of .003% of the population when the other 99.997% don't seem to agree is in dire need of competence.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Yes, there is a valid reason for the FCC's existance, but we need to change the management. Any organization which create standards based around the desires of .003% of the population when the other 99.997% don't seem to agree is in dire need of competence.
    I don't wish for the total abolition of the FCC. I think it has proper role to uphold property rights. In that I mean police piracy of the airwaves. I just don't think they should be in the censorship department as they are government agency. Instead, I think proper consumer pressure can regulate well enough without the need for the FCCs interference.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    This is sad truth. Actual property rights have been chipped away at for some time. You can not have allodial title to pieces of property. I think that one reason we should press to restore power to property rights; it's extremely important.
    You realize it is going in the other direction and the velocity is increasing.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Nope. Inciting panic is a crime, as it should be, since people can die as a result. That has WHAT to do with freaking out over a nipple on television?
    But it is an infringement on your 1st amendment rights.

    You see, when it comes to the public, its safety and content, one must also assume there will be limited restrictions.

    Clamoring for total unrestricted airspace, while giving you a warm feeling perhaps, has not been the will of a majority opinion in this country where the majority still happens to be of religious persuasion and have children.

    I do not see the BIG issue here other than a feigned desire to blather about perceived limits to freedoms when there are far bigger freedoms and issues being taken from you.

    My first comment was merely to explain why doing away with the FCC was an idiotic assertion made in a vacuum of the facts and reality of unregulated airwaves and to defend what has been a majority opinion for some time; that content supplied over the airwaves be moderated for the times they are aired to protect children from potentially being exposed to that content and many of the adults who would be offended even by accidental access.

    Its no big deal unless you want to shriek emotional about every perceived freedom of expression regardless of its impact on your fellow man; why not shriek about the taxation you will be receiving and the confiscation of ever greater amounts of your hard earned wealth; to me that would be time better spent?

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    I don't wish for the total abolition of the FCC. I think it has proper role to uphold property rights. In that I mean police piracy of the airwaves. I just don't think they should be in the censorship department as they are government agency. Instead, I think proper consumer pressure can regulate well enough without the need for the FCCs interference.
    I'd agree with this. That and the FCC should serve as the initial seller and regulator of frequency transactions. Remember the whole point of going digital was to free up specific frequencies for sale to private sectors.

    If people don't like what's on, then they won't watch it. Simple mechanism of the market. I find it real offensive that our tax dollars are being used in such a way that a super tiny minority can force massive fines on programing and stations that the majority clearly don't have a problem with. You'd think that the big free market people would be on our belief. Let the consumers choose what they want to watch.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    You base this on....?

    One organization accounted for almost 100% of the FCC's indecency complaints.

    One organization which at absolute most claims a million members by its own account (never mind the obvious dubious nature of that) which represents less then 1/300th of our population means the majority agree with you?

    Why is that the FCC got no complaints about Saving Private Ryan's public broadcast when that show used the F word?

    Oh logic and facts. The Antidote to TD.
    What a trite little insult to end an emotional rant based on your personal opinion and nothing close to the relevant facts or emotional outbursts of like minded individuals on this forum who somehow think that their OPINIONS about decency and child rearing trumps all others.

    Now run along, your juvenile rants add nothing to the debate.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The majority of the public, myself included do not agree with you Kandahar; remember, the world doesn't revolve around you and Ikari's particular version of mores and feelings on the topic.
    And the world does not revolve around people like you either TD.

    Remember that one. You are ok with the government censoring what YOU don't like, but hate it when it censors what you like. There is a word for that....oh yeah HYPOCRISY.

    I love it when conservatives cheer when the government steps in to get rid of the F-Bombs, but when they come in to talk about the fair doctrine (Something I don't agree with), then they cry foul.

    The only thing true TD, is you take the truth, turn it into a lie, then cheer it on.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Clamoring for total unrestricted airspace, while giving you a warm feeling perhaps, has not been the will of a majority opinion in this country where the majority still happens to be of religious persuasion and have children.

    I do not see the BIG issue here other than a feigned desire to blather about perceived limits to freedoms when there are far bigger freedoms and issues being taken from you.
    I think this best sums up my own feeling about this issue. Though I'd disagree somewhat with the notion that only those of religious persuasion or with children support public decency standards.

    We all have a right to keep our hard-drive full of porn or foul material. We don't have a right to display it in public... whether that's on the sidewalk in front of our home or by 'broadcasting' it to someone else's television set.

    I don't know any adult who can't access adult themed material through cable, or DVD, or print. Why anyone would be concerned that their 'free speech rights' are violated by not being able to utter the F-word on CBS or ABC is beyond me.


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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Two completely different issues. The FCC is perfectly capable of regulating who can broadcast on which frequency, without also regulating F-bombs and wardrobe malfunctions.
    So you believe that a Governmental regulatory body who controls the airwaves should not take complaints made to them about violations to their licenses serious?

    When a station is given their license, they contractually agree to the rules; do you think contracts should be meaningless and not have the authority of the law behind them?

    You do live in a convenient, but unrealistic world dude.

    Again, my ORIGINAL commentary was regarding the absurd notion that airwaves should not be regulated and the specious notion that the regulations that go with it should not be geared to the publicís interest to keep indecency and vulgarities off the public airwaves.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    ....Though I'd disagree somewhat with the notion that only those of religious persuasion or with children support public decency standards.
    I stand corrected with my assertion, you would be correct, it is NOT only religious persuasions and parents, and it is quite a diverse MAJORITY.

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