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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    No, anarchy would not result. As I have stated several times now, the FCC's sole responsibility would be property protection. Piracy would still be bad. Proper consumer pressure can take care of the rest.

    You'd better voice your concerns to the scientific journals I am published in. They may wish to know this information about me that you have.

    I don't wish to use the government for things we can do ourselves. That's it. Some people wish to enact government to take care of things for them, I don't believe that proper use of government especially when that takes the form of infringing upon the rights of the individual. I believe it so much, that I don't even ask you to stop with your personal insults to me.
    So who do you think should own the air? Can we parcel it out?

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    Do you think it is okay to yell "FIRE" in a crowded auditorium?
    Nope. Inciting panic is a crime, as it should be, since people can die as a result. That has WHAT to do with freaking out over a nipple on television?
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ikari View Post
    As I said, the only job of the FCC should be to enforce property rights, not censor. It's not public airwaves. Just because you can get a piece of metal of proper length and pick up electro-magnetic radiation and have a device which can interpret that radiation and compose a series of fast moving pictures and sounds out of it does not make it public. You do not pay for the use of that frequency. You can not just set up a radio station or tv station and broadcast at your whim. The use of that specific E&M spectrum is cut off to you, you may only receive a signal, you may not broadcast on in that frequency bandwidth yourself. Someone else, a private person, has paid for the rights to use that frequency and power. Thus it belongs to them, it's private.
    While you're correct that you cannot simply set up a radio or TV station at your whim, your conclusion that the airwaves are 'private' is an extremely narrow and misleading position.

    The 'public' airwaves include not just television and radio frequencies used by private corporations... but all sorts of broadcast usages... including military, police, fire and rescue, aviation, cellular phones, wireless broadband... among others. The allocation of these frequencies is controlled by the government. Private companies obtain licenses to broadcast in these frequencies. They do not 'own' them.

    To suggest that the airwaves are 'private' is simply not accurate.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    The majority of the public, myself included do not agree with you Kandahar; remember, the world doesn't revolve around you and Ikari's particular version of mores and feelings on the topic.
    You base this on....?

    One organization accounted for almost 100% of the FCC's indecency complaints.

    One organization which at absolute most claims a million members by its own account (never mind the obvious dubious nature of that) which represents less then 1/300th of our population means the majority agree with you?

    Why is that the FCC got no complaints about Saving Private Ryan's public broadcast when that show used the F word?

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    While you're correct that you cannot simply set up a radio or TV station at your whim, your conclusion that the airwaves are 'private' is an extremely narrow and misleading position.

    The 'public' airwaves include not just television and radio frequencies used by private corporations... but all sorts of broadcast usages... including military, police, fire and rescue, aviation, cellular phones, wireless broadband... among others. The allocation of these frequencies is controlled by the government. Private companies obtain licenses to broadcast in these frequencies. They do not 'own' them.

    To suggest that the airwaves are 'private' is simply not accurate.

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    Who owns the airwaves, the government?

    I think it should be like owning land, since that's the next closest thing to the airwaves. Government should protect you from trespassers and thieves, but it shouldn't be able tell you whether you can build a house or a barn.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So who do you think should own the air? Can we parcel it out?
    Air and spectrum are different things. The air is composed of molecules by which many biological creatures inhale to continue living. No one buys the air, no one can transmit upon it, you do not need specialized equipment apart from your own biology to use it. The particular section of the electromagnetic spectrum used for broadcast is not exactly the same. You could ask how the government came to own it, that's valid and I'm not sure how. But the E&M spectrum used for broadcast is not essential for life, it is used as medium for information transfer, and requires specialized equipment to make use of.

    Shall we compare apples to apples? Or are you going to continue with nothing but deflect and not address the base issue?
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    While you're correct that you cannot simply set up a radio or TV station at your whim, your conclusion that the airwaves are 'private' is an extremely narrow and misleading position.

    The 'public' airwaves include not just television and radio frequencies used by private corporations... but all sorts of broadcast usages... including military, police, fire and rescue, aviation, cellular phones, wireless broadband... among others. The allocation of these frequencies is controlled by the government. Private companies obtain licenses to broadcast in these frequencies. They do not 'own' them.

    To suggest that the airwaves are 'private' is simply not accurate.

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    Ok, that's a fair enough. There are many segments of the E&M spectrum used and regulated for various purposes. I suppose in that which the FCC is concerned with, I'll specifically refer to it as television and radio.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    It is absolutely relevant when you make uninformed comments about how one should raise and be responsible for their children when you are clearly incapable of understanding how absurd such assertions are.

    The concept of always knowing where your children are and controlling what they do and watch at all hours of the day can only come from those who have no concept of what they are talking about because they have little or no experience in dealing with the young.

    It is hard to take your arguments serious when they are made in such a vacuum of reality and factual experience.

    I have a personal experience to share with you; I was at a Target store with my formerly very young sons and wife; they were acting up and throwing balls all over the store and I had asked numerous times to stop with no uncertainty what would happen if they didn't.

    The goofing off continued until I grabbed one of them and smacked them pretty hard; which ended the goofing off and putting the balls back in the rack whence they came.

    On the way to the car while carrying my youngest across my shoulder like a sack of potatoes, someone like you stopped me to lecture me on how wrong it was for me to have smacked my child; so I asked him how many children he had. His answer was that he didn't have any children and wasn't even married. I told him he should mind his own f***ing business and come back and see me when he had kids of his own and could speak from authority on the subject. My kids once in the car even asked why that person was being so nosey; even a child can comprehend when someone is beyond their capacity to comprehend them.

    The notion that Kids can be reasoned with or somehow controlled 24-7 can only come from a naive point of view and from the ignorance of never having raised kids or dealing with them on a daily basis.
    This is nothing but deflect and does not address the issue. Your kids are not my concern. You want to make rules based on your kids, I disagree because that's not my problem, or the problem of others in general. How you raise your kids is up to you, how active you are is up to you. In fact, that last little story of yours I wouldn't care about either. Though it would mean you'd have to admit to your consistent lies about me and your use of hyperbole. Your children are your concern and you should not be able to impress your concerns on the rest of society. It's your problem, you deal with it. I'm not going to socially engineer situations so that you can have an easier time. You choose to have kids, you can live with the consequences and responsibilities of doing so. You want to say you can't control your kids 24-7, thus we should accept infringement of property and speech rights to protect your kids from what you consider inappropriate. I say, that's all your problem, deal with it yourself. Keep your stories to yourself, I do not care about you, your children, or your life. I care about the rights and liberties of the people and proper use of government. If you want to discuss that, come back. If you want to do nothing but insult me and engage in deflect comments and stories about your children, you're more than free to do so; but you're contributing nothing to the conversation, the debate, or your agenda and I'll point that out each time.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Who owns the airwaves, the government?

    I think it should be like owning land, since that's the next closest thing to the airwaves. Government should protect you from trespassers and thieves, but it shouldn't be able tell you whether you can build a house or a barn.
    The government CAN tell you whether you can build a house or a barn. You don't actually OWN real property... you own a BUNDLE OF RIGHTS to property which the government kindly allows you to make use of through a deed of trust or title.

    I'm not suggesting that broadcast ownership and real property ownership are comparable. But your misunderstanding about real property suggests that you need to review these issues a little more carefully.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Grateful Heart View Post
    The government CAN tell you whether you can build a house or a barn. You don't actually OWN real property... you own a BUNDLE OF RIGHTS to property which the government kindly allows you to make use of through a deed of trust or title.

    I'm not suggesting that broadcast ownership and real property ownership are comparable. But your misunderstanding about real property suggests that you need to review these issues a little more carefully.

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    This is sad truth. Actual property rights have been chipped away at for some time. You can not have allodial title to pieces of property. I think that one reason we should press to restore power to property rights; it's extremely important.
    You know the time is right to take control, we gotta take offense against the status quo

    Quote Originally Posted by A. de Tocqueville
    "I should have loved freedom, I believe, at all times, but in the time in which we live I am ready to worship it."

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