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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    This argument can be applied to any form of property. Needless to say, the land I live on now must be respected regardless of the Iroquois who lived on it hundreds of years ago. A free market allocation of such frequencies is the most efficient and fair method available. Utopian ideals of "non-ownership" need not apply.
    Actually it can't be applied to all property simply natural things that are scacre or made artificially scarce and into property and it can be resolved in many ways for instance the Georgist land value tax on ground rent is an excellent ways to resolve the issues of private ownership of land, maintain social justice, end land speculation and monopoly and remove or greatly reduce taxes on the labour and capital of individuals.

    One is not talking of free market allocation because it is the state allocating them.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    Actually it can't be applied to all property simply natural things that are scacre or made artificially scarce and into property and it can be resolved in many ways for instance the Georgist land value tax on ground rent is an excellent ways to resolve the issues of private ownership of land, maintain social justice, end land speculation and monopoly and remove or greatly reduce taxes on the labour and capital of individuals.

    One is not talking of free market allocation because it is the state allocating them.
    Be more specific. You can't just say "the state allocated them" and expect to be taken seriously.

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I have your solution people: all of you can write to your congress people and tell them how angry you are that THIER regulations are interfering with your 1st amendment rights to see and listen to smut.

    I'll be sure to remind you of the same every time you whine about Obama, democrats, and liberals.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Ethereal View Post
    Be more specific. You can't just say "the state allocated them" and expect to be taken seriously.
    What do you mean? These people broadcasting on these frequencies have a monopoly because of the state, I thought that was pretty well known and obvious. In general they are not the people who first used that frequency, particularly when talking on any scale.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    These people broadcasting on these frequencies have a monopoly because of the state, I thought that was pretty well known and obvious.
    Wow, that came out of left field. How in the heck do they have a monopoly? That would require the control of an entire industry, not just a frequency.

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    In general they are not the people who first used that frequency, particularly when talking on any scale.
    So?

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Polynikes View Post
    There was little doubt that this was going to come surface once a Democratic majority was in place in Congress.
    Curious reaction, since the liberal judges all voted against this....it was the conservative block that voted for it. Are you now agreeing that we need more liberal judges on the Supreme Court?

    Justice Ruth Bader Ginsburg, who dissented Tuesday along with the other three liberal justices, similarly raised constitutional concerns. Ginsburg said that in a case that turns on government restriction of spoken words, "there is no way to hide the long shadow the First Amendment casts over what the commission has done."
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Wow, that came out of left field. How in the heck do they have a monopoly? That would require the control of an entire industry, not just a frequency
    .They have a monopoly of the frequency.

    So?
    Well Lockeans, which I assume Ethereal is in some sense, believe in the labour-mixing idea of original appropriation so if these people weren't the people who first used it or bought it off those who did etc then it poses a problem. If they are simply given it by the state then as Murray Rothbard suggested such property can be legitimately homesteaded, i.e. treated morally unowned even by the most rightwing of Lockean libertarians.

    From my take I'm against censorship and state intervention but do find it strange that the state created and maintains this monopoly and then some supposed propertarians ignore this but maintain the absolute rights of those benefiting from this state socialised system.
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    Savings Private Ryan is "Smut?"

    It is if TD says it is. I mean, won't you please think of his children! Could you imagine parent having to control their TV!!!!! Inconceivable! Why this piece of the electromagnetic spectrum in which a private person/company paid for the rights to use, only they can use exclusively, that they own the broadcasting equipment and pay or make the material which is broadcast....that's public. Can't you see that? It's public because we have to think of the children and the parents. Why the real world allows this interference by the FCC, so it's just. It's rightful use of government. If you don't like it, write your congressman, but I'm going to condescendingly laugh at you even though I can't put together proper argument against your position. I mean, when slavery was legal, that was clearly ok too. Because if the government does it, it's ok. Also I'm going to claim that to be "conservative" somehow (of course, not Reagan conservative, more big government neo-conservative...but let's ignore that). Think of the children would you! Why should what TD deems to be smut be allowed on TV? We know he's the moral superior here, don't you? Seesh. Think of the children! You people and your not thinking of the children or just accepting government interference into your life and private business are sickening. Smut can't be allowed on TV because it's icky and we can't turn the station or control our TVs well enough to prevent our children from seeing icky, nasty things which are prevalent in the real world; but I'm going to pretend to make real world arguments even though in the real world there is smut and naughty words and everyone will be exposed to them sooner or later.

    If you guys can't think of the children, then I'll just have to think of the children for you!
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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Just a thought


    V-Chip: Viewing Television Responsibly

    The FCC has adopted rules requiring all television sets with picture screens 33 centimeters (13 inches) or larger to be equipped with features to block the display of television programming based upon its rating. This technology is known as the "V-Chip." The V-Chip reads information encoded in the rated program and blocks programs from the set based upon the rating selected by the parent. [News Release on TV Set Requirements and Ratings]

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    Re: The U.S. Supreme Court gives OK to government crackdown on the airwaves.

    Quote Originally Posted by scourge99 View Post
    I'll be sure to remind you of the same every time you whine about Obama, democrats, and liberals.
    The notion that you don't troll and bait is fascinating. I would expect that from you.

    Carry on.

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