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    'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    The swine flu virus first detected in Mexico can no longer be contained and countries should focus on mitigating its effects, a top UN official said.

    World Health Organization deputy chief Keiji Fukuda was speaking as the WHO raised its alert level to four, or two steps short of a full pandemic.

    UN food inspectors are going to Mexico to examine reports that industrial pig farms were the source of the outbreak.

    The number of probable deaths from the virus there has risen to 152.

    New Zealand confirmed at least three cases on Tuesday, and Israel one.

    The US, Canada, Spain and Britain confirmed cases earlier but no deaths have been reported outside Mexico.

    'Not inevitable'

    Alert level four means the virus is showing a sustained ability to pass from human to human and is able to cause community-level outbreaks.

    Mr Fukuda said this was a "significant step towards pandemic influenza" but a pandemic should not be considered inevitable
    BBC NEWS | Americas | 'Too late' to contain swine flu

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    WHO PANDEMIC ALERT PHASES
    Phase 1: No viruses circulating among animals causing infections in humans
    Phase 2: Animal influenza virus causes infection in humans, and is considered potential pandemic threat
    Phase 3: Influenza causes sporadic cases in people, but no significant human-to-human transmission
    Phase 4: Verified human-to-human transmission able to cause community-level outbreaks. Significant increase in risk of a pandemic
    Phase 5: Human-to-human transmission in at least two countries. Strong signal pandemic imminent
    Phase 6: Virus spreads to another country in a different region. Global pandemic under way
    I've read a few accounts now where various people in Mexico are claiming the numbers of infected/dead are much higher then those being officially declared.

    I do have to wonder IF they find out its going to be really bad ..will "they" tell us?

    (If it continues to grow in numbers in Mexico over the coming week.
    The USA should seal the border.)
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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    (If it continues to grow in numbers in Mexico over the coming week. The USA should seal the border.)
    And how do you propose that be done?

    There are 1,969 miles of border, much of it over broken, arid, almost uninhabited terrain. That's not a border that can be sealed.

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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    And how do you propose that be done?

    There are 1,969 miles of border, much of it over broken, arid, almost uninhabited terrain. That's not a border that can be sealed.
    Come on. If the Great Wall of China could keep....oh wait....
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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Walls don't work in Gaza and Iraq. They didn't work in Germany or Lima. They didn't work in China or Egypt. And most of the walls built in these places are just mentioned were done in heavily populated environments with a heavy military presence. But supposedly they're supposed to work in barren wasteland where nobody lives?
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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    You have this thing called a Military. Its has this amazing ability to control access to territory. Terrain itself channels people as it is.
    If the USA cannot control its Southern(or Northern) border to that point then something is fundamentally broken and need to be fixed before it rears up in a war situation.


    Nothing is 100% but going "oh we can't get 100% so lets not even try for 85%" especially in a situation where contact with infected people could kill millions??

    The world is not made up of absolutes...


    Anyway... this reminds of the argument between calling this "Swine Flu" or "Mexico Flu".
    Like it matters?

    Apparently its now been found in France.
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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post

    Anyway... this reminds of the argument between calling this "Swine Flu" or "Mexico Flu".
    Like it matters?

    Its quite simple, people need someone or something to blame for it.
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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Since I brought it up--

    U.S. officials want 'swine' out of flu name
    28 Apr 2009 21:31:42 GMT
    Source: Reuters
    WASHINGTON, April 28 (Reuters) - What's in a name? U.S. pork producers are finding that the name of the virus spreading from Mexico is affecting their business, prompting U.S. officials to argue for changing the name from swine flu.

    At a news briefing, Homeland Security Secretary Janet Napolitano and Agriculture Secretary Tom Vilsack took pains to repeatedly refer to the flu as the "H1N1 virus."

    "This is not a food-borne illness, virus. It is not correct to refer to it as swine flu because really that's not what this is about," Vilsack said.

    Israel has already rejected the name swine flu, and opted to call it "Mexico flu." Jewish dietary laws forbid eating pork.

    The Paris-based World Organization for Animal Health also objected to the name, saying the virus contains avian and human components and no pig so far has been found ill with the disease.

    And there is growing sentiment in the farm sector to call it the North American virus -- although disease expert Anthony Fauci told a Senate hearing the "swine flu" designation reflected scientific naming protocol.

    For U.S. pork producers the swine flu name has hurt, forcing government officials into the position of stressing that American pork is safe to eat and that other countries should not ban imports.

    Pork, soybean and corn prices have fallen in the last two days, "and if this continues, obviously you have significant potential, which is why it's important to get this right," Vilsack said.

    At the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention, there was also talk of stripping the "swine" from swine flu, which CDC acting director Richard Besser said was leading to the misapprehension that people can catch the disease from pork.

    "That's not helpful to pork producers. That's not helpful to people who eat pork. It's not helpful to people who are wondering, how can they get this infection," Besser told a briefing.
    Reuters AlertNet - U.S. officials want 'swine' out of flu name


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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    You have this thing called a Military. Its has this amazing ability to control access to territory. Terrain itself channels people as it is.
    If the USA cannot control its Southern(or Northern) border to that point then something is fundamentally broken and need to be fixed before it rears up in a war situation.
    .
    Actually, the military is not designed to function as a human wall to "seal" borders. Hadn't you heard? Besides, the US-Mexican border seems to be working quite well in preventing swine flu from entering the country. Didn't I just hear there has been only one case in Texas?

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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    By the time an outbreak of a new pathogen is detected or identified in today's shrinking world it's already to late to contain it. An infected person gets on a plane in Mexico changes planes in a hub airport like Chicago, takes a shuttle bus to a Hotel, has lunch in a crowded restaurant and by the time they are sick enough to seek treatment they have exposed hundreds who will then in a few days expose thousands.
    I highly recommend watching the Dustin Hoffman, Cuba Gooding Jr. movie Outbreak to see how fast things can spin out of control.
    The key is to take control of your own well being by taking prudent steps to protect yourself and loved ones now. Don't rely on the government to protect you. They are all reactive to problems not proactive. The answer is to take steps to build your immune system to bolster your ability to fight off what ever the threat may be every day. And don't wait for the problem to come to you door step before you act. Start right now to protect yourself and loved ones everyday. You may need to have as much as two weeks worth of supplies to be able to shelter in place if things get bad. It's not that expensive to stock up on some basic items to sustain you for 10 days if you do it a few items at a time. It's important to remember the most important thing is to get to the other side alive. It's not that hard to do if you start before the problem comes knocking.
    Just my opinion, but I know it will work.

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    Re: 'Too late' to contain swine flu (WHO raises alert level)

    (If it continues to grow in numbers in Mexico over the coming week.
    The USA should seal the border.)
    You have to be taking the piss. Mexicans dont cross boarders, they climb over them. They'll get in despite what you do. The government needs to screen everybody who come in and out of the country from every airport in every state, bump up boarder security and screen everybody for the flu who come in and out of the boarders, hospitals and schools in infected states closed down for a few days and decontaminated, flights to mexico stopped, and hospitals stock piled with every vaccination we have (Tamiflu is said to work against swine flu) until we can get our own vaccinations out on the market a few months from now. Statements need to be broadcasted raising awareness in the states against swine flue, symptons, and how to avoid catching it and how to protect your own family from it. We need to urge citizens not to travel to infected countries unless absolutely neccessary and to avoid public transport or overly crowded areas whenever possible. Strict, tough to implement measures, but certainly possible.

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Actually, the military is not designed to function as a human wall to "seal" borders. Hadn't you heard? Besides, the US-Mexican border seems to be working quite well in preventing swine flu from entering the country. Didn't I just hear there has been only one case in Texas?
    Kentucky too, apparently.
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