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Low level flight panics NY

Truth Detector said:
This is fascinating coming from a rabid hyper partisan who demanded apologies from Bush if he even sneezed, and even THEN, wouldn't accept them as good enough.
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I would happily accept the apology, unless he snotted all over my shirt and then refused to help with the cleaning bill.
 
Truth Detector said:
So let me understand this story, the smartest man on the planet, the man we are expecting to change the world's opinion, the man we are expecting to manage the entire economy and make all the poor in America safe and prosperous, the man who has the incredible ability to bring us together, did NOT know about this flight NOR authorize it?
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Bold: I am fairly certain no one has ever claimed that Obama is the smartest man on the planet. Everybody knows the intelligent people in America make $20 million dollars by the time they are 20 years old and retire; they would rather not deal with the reputation decadence of politics.

I certainly don't think Obama could make poor people prosperous, nor do I think any of his opponents can.
I do, however, believe in pummeling this idea that poor people are poor because they deserve it, which at one point was the sentiment.

You mean that Obama's staff can take Air force ONE on a joyride over Manhattan without his knowledge?
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Why yes, yes they can.
I bet they also take his dog out to poop without his knowledge.
I bet they sometimes cop a feel on his wife, without his knowledge
I bet they also refuel his Presidential limo without his knowledge.
I bet Photo Opportunities, like this one, are planned and carried out without his knowledge all the time.
This looks more like pointing the finger of BLAME than any form of apology or taking responsibility to me dude. But then, I don't wallow in denial either trying to defend this Community Organizers gross incompetence.
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Of course it does. Dear Leader (CelticLord, Copyrighted 2009) cannot expand his diabolical plan and enslave the American people (starting with their wallet) if he is blameworthy. I mean get real Dear Leader, knows how to play the Lenin-Fiddle. First the Tax-Payer, then the wussiness (Mr. V, Copyrighted 2009) New York civilians, who just though.. hahah... that a plane was going to crash into their Starbucks(es?).

Carry on; it is comforting to know that the smartest man on the planet, our dear leader, is so well informed by his OWN staff and has such good control over his OWN aircraft.
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Bold: You are infringing on Copyright.
No one thinks Obama is the smartest man on the planet. Get over it.
You just cannot fabricate the level of denial and spin we are now getting from the same Liberal Bush Bashers who spent every waking moment impugning Bush for everything from Natural Disasters to terrorist attacks planned during Clinton's Presidency.

:rofl
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Not too sure if you are trying to infer something about me here, so I will just leave it as is... you making an ass of yourself. So... how was the play Mrs Lincoln?
 
WillRockwell said:
You and American should STFU, because you have absolutely no idea what New Yorkers went through on 9/11. Lower Manhattan is a very small place, and the events of that day were every bit as traumatizing as combat. We don't complain about it, but we also don't put up with ignorant yahoos who call New Yorkers ******s. If you don't understand, just keep quiet about it.
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Get your panties unwadded, I was joking. Didn't you see the laugh?
 
Here's the photo taken from the chase plane. :2razz:

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Gill said:
Here's the photo taken from the chase plane. :2razz:

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:funny ....so is anyone wondering what kind of headlines this would have garnered in the New York Times during the Bush Presidency?

I saw a tiny article in the LA Times on about page 4 how furious Obama was about the whole affair and now attempting to form a committee to find out how this happened.

Here are a few of the questions I want to have answered;

Can anyone other than the President authorize the use of President One? If so who also has the authority?

Did the current President (I don't think this is Bush's fault but the story is relatively new and Liberals may find a way to eventually link him to this incident) have any knowledge of this fly-over?

Who was on board the aircraft as it made this joyride over Manhattan frightening the hell out of many of Obama's own constituents?

What was the EXACT purpose of this "photo-op?"

I notice that the Press has more interest in what were Obama's "surprises", disappointments", "enchantments" and "humbling" experiences, but I really want to know what level of arrogance, incompetence and lunacy gripped his administration to come up with an idea this damned idiotic.

P.S., his answer to the "surprises" question basically boiled down to this: "I had NO possible idea what this job REALLY entailed and am totally overwhelmed by it having had little to NO experience in running anything."

You just cannot fabricate this level of incompetence.

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One thing I forgot to mention. They claimed that it was for a photo-op, but it was clearly hazy that morning IIRC.
 
I heard he was looking for an Air Force One Czar to make sure it never happened again. :rofl

Seriously.... A lot of people had to know and approve of this stunt. There are only two "Air Force Ones" and both, from what I understand, go on every trip the president makes. To get approval for this "photo op", someone had to find out if Obama was taking a trip that morning. If he was, this plane couldn't be in New York. Someone very high in the Obama administration knew about this. Of course, we'll never know because lesser heads will roll for it.
 
Gill said:
I heard he was looking for an Air Force One Czar to make sure it never happened again. :rofl

Seriously.... A lot of people had to know and approve of this stunt. There are only two "Air Force Ones" and both, from what I understand, go on every trip the president makes. To get approval for this "photo op", someone had to find out if Obama was taking a trip that morning. If he was, this plane couldn't be in New York.
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I am of the belief that Obama himself had to sign off for it. It is like the corporate jet in a company. It is highly unlikely just anyone can take off in it and even less likely without the CEO signing off or at least knowing about it.

If this is the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office, how is such a thing even remotely possible?

Gill said:
ISomeone very high in the Obama administration knew about this. Of course, we'll never know because lesser heads will roll for it.
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How can this be possible??? I thought we were witnessing the new CHANGE and Government that is "TRANSPARENT." How can they keep such things from "we the people?"

I think we need to demand an answer from the Community Organizer himself.

By the way, did anyone else notice that at his press conference not ONE question came up about the "joy ride" over Manhattan?

How many here want to bet me that had that been good ole hate-able George, they would have battered him with demands for an explanation.

Instead we got questions like these obviously throwing some REAL hardballs at him:

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. With the flu outbreak spreading and worsening, can you talk about whether you think it's time to close the border with Mexico and whether -- under what conditions you might consider quarantining, when that might be appropriate?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You've said in the past that waterboarding, in your opinion, is torture. Torture is a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. Do you believe that the previous administration sanctioned torture?

QUESTION: Thank you, sir. Let me follow up, if I may, on Jake's question. Did you read the documents recently referred to by former Vice President Cheney and others saying that the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" not only protected the nation but saved lives?

And if part of the United States were under imminent threat, could you envision yourself ever authorizing the use of those enhanced interrogation techniques?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. I want to move to Pakistan. Pakistan appears to be at war with the Taliban inside their own country. Can you reassure the American people that if necessary America could secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and keep it from getting into the Taliban's hands or, worst case scenario, even al Qaeda's hands?

QUESTION: But in a worst-case scenario...

OBAMA: I'm not going to engage in...

QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) military could secure this nuclear...

OBAMA: I'm not going to engage in -- in hypotheticals of that sort. I feel confident that that nuclear arsenal will remain out of militant hands.

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. One of the biggest changes you've made in the first 100 days regarding foreign policy has had to do with Iraq. But do the large-scale -- there's large-scale violence there right now. Does that affect the U.S.'s strategy at all for withdrawal? And could it affect the timetable that you've set out for troops?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. On Senator Specter's switch to the Democratic Party, you said you were thrilled; I guess nobody should be surprised about that.

But how big a deal is this, really? Some Republicans say it is huge. They believe it's a game-changer. They say that, if you get the 60 votes in the Senate, that you will be able to ride roughshod over any opposition and that we're on the verge of, as one Republican put it, "one-party rule."

Do you see it that way? And, also, what do you think his switch says about the state of the Republican Party?

QUESTION: Is the Republican Party in the desperate straits that Arlen Specter seems to think it is?

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. In a couple of weeks, you're going to be giving the commencement at Notre Dame. And, as you know, this has caused a lot of controversy among Catholics who are opposed to your position on abortion.

As a candidate, you vowed that one of the very things you wanted to do was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which, as you know, would eliminate federal, state and local restrictions on abortion. And at one point in the campaign when asked about abortion and life, you said that it was above -- quote, "above my pay grade."

Now that you've been president for 100 days, obviously, your pay grade is a little higher than when you were a senator.

(LAUGHTER)

Do you still hope that Congress quickly sends you the Freedom of Choice Act so you can sign it?

AND my favorite hardball question of the decade:

QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.

During these first 100 days, what has surprised you the most about this office? Enchanted you the most from serving in this office? Humbled you the most? And troubled you the most?

:2wave:

Obama 100 Days Press Conference: FULL TRANSCRIPT
 
Truth Detector said:
I am of the belief that Obama himself had to sign off for it. It is like the corporate jet in a company. It is highly unlikely just anyone can take off in it and even less likely without the CEO signing off or at least knowing about it.

If this is the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office, how is such a thing even remotely possible?
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Have you ever worked for a corporation with a private jet or flown in one? There are protocols and segments of authority made specifically so the CEO doesn't need to be bothered with such mundane things.

I'm not saying Obama didn't know about the flight plans. I am saying it's more then likely that he wasn't required to know, so may not have.
 
Gibberish said:
Have you ever worked for a corporation with a private jet or flown in one? There are protocols and segments of authority made specifically so the CEO doesn't need to be bothered with such mundane things.

I'm not saying Obama didn't know about the flight plans. I am saying it's more then likely that he wasn't required to know, so may not have.
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As a matter of FACT I have Gibberish, in TWO different companies, Taco Smell and Kinko's; how about you? :2wave:
 
for an administration that is spossa be all geeky and shyt.....doesnt anyone in the WH do PHOTOSHOP????

.....shythowdy...I could have had AF1 flying down the halls of congress, or through the gates of BuckinghamPalace....with michelle in a pinup pose on the nose.

but no .....what we got was zeroBama flying the bird to the American taxpayers.....and the media said nary a damn thing.:mrgreen:
 
Truth Detector said:
As a matter of FACT I have Gibberish, in TWO different companies, Taco Smell and Kinko's; how about you? :2wave:
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Good for you. Then you should know that usage of the airplane or fleets aren't required to have a written decree of the CEO. Usually a VP of Executive Director has the power as well. Especially if the CEO is not using the plane in questions.
 
Gibberish said:
Good for you. Then you should know that usage of the airplane or fleets aren't required to have a written decree of the CEO. Usually a VP of Executive Director has the power as well. Especially if the CEO is not using the plane in questions.
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So now you are presuming to know the executive jet policies of the companies I mentioned? How so?

How many times have you flown the corporate jet Gibb?
 
Truth Detector said:
So now you are presuming to know the executive jet policies of the companies I mentioned? How so?

How many times have you flown the corporate jet Gibb?
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In the case we are speaking of, the military owns the plane and controls its movements when the President is not aboard. There would be no reason for the White House to be involved in any way.
 
White House Apologizes for Air Force Flyover



"At 4:39 p.m. Monday, the White House issued an apology for the flyover. Louis E. Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, who served in the Clinton administration as secretary of the Army, said in a statement:

Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


Doesnt matter whether they knew or not. Caldera is taking the bullet for it either way. I doubt the president was following the activities of his backup plane. He has been too busy quadrupling the deficit and super sizing government to pay attention to such things.
 
WillRockwell said:
In the case we are speaking of, the military owns the plane and controls its movements when the President is not aboard. There would be no reason for the White House to be involved in any way.
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The two planes used for AF1 are both controlled by the White House. Try and keep up.
 
akyron said:
White House Apologizes for Air Force Flyover



"At 4:39 p.m. Monday, the White House issued an apology for the flyover. Louis E. Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, who served in the Clinton administration as secretary of the Army, said in a statement:

Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, it’s clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


Doesnt matter whether they knew or not. Caldera is taking the bullet for it either way. I doubt the president was following the activities of his backup plane. He has been too busy quadrupling the deficit and super sizing government to pay attention to such things.
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The true purpose of pointing out this blunder is for the liberal Democrat hypocrites to consider that they would have hit the roof, and this would be politicized and scandalized to the hilt, if it had been Bush. But since the Chosen One's administration did it, it's trivial. Let that be a lesson for your hypocracy.
 
Gill said:
The two planes used for AF1 are both controlled by the White House. Try and keep up.
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No, they are requested by the White House and their movements controlled while the President is using them. The rest of the time they are used, stored, and serviced by the Presidential Airlift Group, part of Air Mobility Command's 89th Airlift Wing, based at Andrews Air Force Base. When the President is not using them, they are just two more planes in the Air Force inventory. Maybe you should become more informed before you decide to get snippy.:2wave:
 
American said:
The true purpose of pointing out this blunder is for the liberal Democrat hypocrites to consider that they would have hit the roof, and this would be politicized and scandalized to the hilt, if it had been Bush. But since the Chosen One's administration did it, it's trivial. Let that be a lesson for your hypocracy.
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So you are criticizing the democrats because you think they would have done something if something that did not happened had happened. Keep up the good posting there, that makes so much sense.
 
Redress said:
So you are criticizing the democrats because you think they would have done something if something that did not happened had happened. Keep up the good posting there, that makes so much sense.
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Yeah right. Tell me you can't see Pelosi calling for hearings under the Bush Administration. You know it's true. They wanted Bush's head on a platter so bad they were beside themselves. I'm surprised that Obama didn't say he inherited this flyover; that it was already planned under Bush.
 
American said:
Yeah right. Tell me you can't see Pelosi calling for hearings under the Bush Administration. You know it's true. They wanted Bush's head on a platter so bad they were beside themselves. I'm surprised that Obama didn't say he inherited this flyover; that it was already planned under Bush.
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I am saying it did not happen. Complain about things the democrats have done, that is appropriate, not what they might have done if something had happened that did not in fact happen, which is just silly.

By the way, Pelosi is not "the liberal democrats", but simply one liberal democrat, and at times, kinda an embarrassment to the rest of us. The GOP has their share of people like that.
 
Redress said:
I am saying it did not happen. Complain about things the democrats have done, that is appropriate, not what they might have done if something had happened that did not in fact happen, which is just silly.

By the way, Pelosi is not "the liberal democrats", but simply one liberal democrat, and at times, kinda an embarrassment to the rest of us. The GOP has their share of people like that.
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I hear ya.
 
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