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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I heard he was looking for an Air Force One Czar to make sure it never happened again.

    Seriously.... A lot of people had to know and approve of this stunt. There are only two "Air Force Ones" and both, from what I understand, go on every trip the president makes. To get approval for this "photo op", someone had to find out if Obama was taking a trip that morning. If he was, this plane couldn't be in New York.
    I am of the belief that Obama himself had to sign off for it. It is like the corporate jet in a company. It is highly unlikely just anyone can take off in it and even less likely without the CEO signing off or at least knowing about it.

    If this is the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office, how is such a thing even remotely possible?

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    ISomeone very high in the Obama administration knew about this. Of course, we'll never know because lesser heads will roll for it.
    How can this be possible??? I thought we were witnessing the new CHANGE and Government that is "TRANSPARENT." How can they keep such things from "we the people?"

    I think we need to demand an answer from the Community Organizer himself.

    By the way, did anyone else notice that at his press conference not ONE question came up about the "joy ride" over Manhattan?

    How many here want to bet me that had that been good ole hate-able George, they would have battered him with demands for an explanation.

    Instead we got questions like these obviously throwing some REAL hardballs at him:

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. With the flu outbreak spreading and worsening, can you talk about whether you think it's time to close the border with Mexico and whether -- under what conditions you might consider quarantining, when that might be appropriate?

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. You've said in the past that waterboarding, in your opinion, is torture. Torture is a violation of international law and the Geneva Conventions. Do you believe that the previous administration sanctioned torture?

    QUESTION: Thank you, sir. Let me follow up, if I may, on Jake's question. Did you read the documents recently referred to by former Vice President Cheney and others saying that the use of so-called "enhanced interrogation techniques" not only protected the nation but saved lives?

    And if part of the United States were under imminent threat, could you envision yourself ever authorizing the use of those enhanced interrogation techniques?

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. I want to move to Pakistan. Pakistan appears to be at war with the Taliban inside their own country. Can you reassure the American people that if necessary America could secure Pakistan's nuclear arsenal and keep it from getting into the Taliban's hands or, worst case scenario, even al Qaeda's hands?

    QUESTION: But in a worst-case scenario...

    OBAMA: I'm not going to engage in...

    QUESTION: (OFF-MIKE) military could secure this nuclear...

    OBAMA: I'm not going to engage in -- in hypotheticals of that sort. I feel confident that that nuclear arsenal will remain out of militant hands.

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. One of the biggest changes you've made in the first 100 days regarding foreign policy has had to do with Iraq. But do the large-scale -- there's large-scale violence there right now. Does that affect the U.S.'s strategy at all for withdrawal? And could it affect the timetable that you've set out for troops?

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. On Senator Specter's switch to the Democratic Party, you said you were thrilled; I guess nobody should be surprised about that.

    But how big a deal is this, really? Some Republicans say it is huge. They believe it's a game-changer. They say that, if you get the 60 votes in the Senate, that you will be able to ride roughshod over any opposition and that we're on the verge of, as one Republican put it, "one-party rule."

    Do you see it that way? And, also, what do you think his switch says about the state of the Republican Party?

    QUESTION: Is the Republican Party in the desperate straits that Arlen Specter seems to think it is?

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President. In a couple of weeks, you're going to be giving the commencement at Notre Dame. And, as you know, this has caused a lot of controversy among Catholics who are opposed to your position on abortion.

    As a candidate, you vowed that one of the very things you wanted to do was sign the Freedom of Choice Act, which, as you know, would eliminate federal, state and local restrictions on abortion. And at one point in the campaign when asked about abortion and life, you said that it was above -- quote, "above my pay grade."

    Now that you've been president for 100 days, obviously, your pay grade is a little higher than when you were a senator.

    (LAUGHTER)

    Do you still hope that Congress quickly sends you the Freedom of Choice Act so you can sign it?


    AND my favorite hardball question of the decade:

    QUESTION: Thank you, Mr. President.

    During these first 100 days, what has surprised you the most about this office? Enchanted you the most from serving in this office? Humbled you the most? And troubled you the most?




    Obama 100 Days Press Conference: FULL TRANSCRIPT

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    I am of the belief that Obama himself had to sign off for it. It is like the corporate jet in a company. It is highly unlikely just anyone can take off in it and even less likely without the CEO signing off or at least knowing about it.

    If this is the smartest man ever to sit in the Oval Office, how is such a thing even remotely possible?
    Have you ever worked for a corporation with a private jet or flown in one? There are protocols and segments of authority made specifically so the CEO doesn't need to be bothered with such mundane things.

    I'm not saying Obama didn't know about the flight plans. I am saying it's more then likely that he wasn't required to know, so may not have.
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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Have you ever worked for a corporation with a private jet or flown in one? There are protocols and segments of authority made specifically so the CEO doesn't need to be bothered with such mundane things.

    I'm not saying Obama didn't know about the flight plans. I am saying it's more then likely that he wasn't required to know, so may not have.
    As a matter of FACT I have Gibberish, in TWO different companies, Taco Smell and Kinko's; how about you?

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    for an administration that is spossa be all geeky and shyt.....doesnt anyone in the WH do PHOTOSHOP????

    .....shythowdy...I could have had AF1 flying down the halls of congress, or through the gates of BuckinghamPalace....with michelle in a pinup pose on the nose.

    but no .....what we got was zeroBama flying the bird to the American taxpayers.....and the media said nary a damn thing.
    Ill keep my guns, torah, bible, and money.....you can keep the change

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    As a matter of FACT I have Gibberish, in TWO different companies, Taco Smell and Kinko's; how about you?
    Good for you. Then you should know that usage of the airplane or fleets aren't required to have a written decree of the CEO. Usually a VP of Executive Director has the power as well. Especially if the CEO is not using the plane in questions.
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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Gibberish View Post
    Good for you. Then you should know that usage of the airplane or fleets aren't required to have a written decree of the CEO. Usually a VP of Executive Director has the power as well. Especially if the CEO is not using the plane in questions.
    So now you are presuming to know the executive jet policies of the companies I mentioned? How so?

    How many times have you flown the corporate jet Gibb?

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by Truth Detector View Post
    So now you are presuming to know the executive jet policies of the companies I mentioned? How so?

    How many times have you flown the corporate jet Gibb?
    In the case we are speaking of, the military owns the plane and controls its movements when the President is not aboard. There would be no reason for the White House to be involved in any way.

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    White House Apologizes for Air Force Flyover



    "At 4:39 p.m. Monday, the White House issued an apology for the flyover. Louis E. Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, who served in the Clinton administration as secretary of the Army, said in a statement:

    Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, itís clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


    Doesnt matter whether they knew or not. Caldera is taking the bullet for it either way. I doubt the president was following the activities of his backup plane. He has been too busy quadrupling the deficit and super sizing government to pay attention to such things.
    Thank you

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    In the case we are speaking of, the military owns the plane and controls its movements when the President is not aboard. There would be no reason for the White House to be involved in any way.
    The two planes used for AF1 are both controlled by the White House. Try and keep up.

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    Re: Low level flight panics NY

    Quote Originally Posted by akyron View Post
    White House Apologizes for Air Force Flyover



    "At 4:39 p.m. Monday, the White House issued an apology for the flyover. Louis E. Caldera, director of the White House Military Office, who served in the Clinton administration as secretary of the Army, said in a statement:

    Last week, I approved a mission over New York. I take responsibility for that decision. While federal authorities took the proper steps to notify state and local authorities in New York and New Jersey, itís clear that the mission created confusion and disruption. I apologize and take responsibility for any distress that flight caused."


    Doesnt matter whether they knew or not. Caldera is taking the bullet for it either way. I doubt the president was following the activities of his backup plane. He has been too busy quadrupling the deficit and super sizing government to pay attention to such things.
    The true purpose of pointing out this blunder is for the liberal Democrat hypocrites to consider that they would have hit the roof, and this would be politicized and scandalized to the hilt, if it had been Bush. But since the Chosen One's administration did it, it's trivial. Let that be a lesson for your hypocracy.
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