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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    1. The interstate commerce clause should not apply to intrastate commerce, which occurs solely within the geographic borders of a single state. The authority to regulate intrastate commerce should belong to the States, not the Fed.
    Whatever you may think of it, the federal power to regulate intrastate commerce that affects interstate commerce is well-established since the time of FDR.

    2. The interstate commerce clause should not apply to substances grown or manufactured for personal use where no commerce has even taken place, much less across state lines.
    Whatever you may think of it, the federal power to regulate commodities grown or manufactured for personal use where no commerce has even taken place is well-established sonce the time of FDR.

    3. The interstate commerce clause is being abused when it's used to altogether prohibit commerce, rather than regulating it,
    Having control of a faucet means you have the power to turn the water off.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Whatever you may think of it, the federal power to regulate intrastate commerce that affects interstate commerce is well-established since the time of FDR.

    Whatever you may think of it, the federal power to regulate commodities grown or manufactured for personal use where no commerce has even taken place is well-established sonce the time of FDR.
    Nobody said that's not the case. The argument was that those policies are unconstitutional, not that they don't exist. That's why I said "should."

    Quote Originally Posted by Goobieman View Post
    Having control of a faucet means you have the power to turn the water off.
    If you turn the water off it's not regulation, it's prohibition. Furthermore, the interstate commerce clause doesn't give Congress control over production (the faucet), it gives Congress regulatory control over the sale of commodities (water from the faucet) across state lines.
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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    I wish they'd just legalize it, so I wouldn't have to keep hearing about all the lame justifications/benefits of pot anymore. Seriously.
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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Khayembii Communique View Post
    If it was legalized it would probably be taxed in the same way that cigarettes are taxed. It would go from being a massive drain on governmental spending to a significant source of revenue.
    Everybody likes to think this, but if the DEA can't make a dent in the activity, how the hell is the IRS gonna do ? After the DEA trained them to stay hidden, I doubt your IRS will find them.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Everybody likes to think this, but if the DEA can't make a dent in the activity, how the hell is the IRS gonna do ? After the DEA trained them to stay hidden, I doubt your IRS will find them.
    I am pretty sure that if most stoners had to go through hooking up with another stoner and possibly or possibly not getting their 1/8th or going down to the corner market and buying a pack of rolled joints, they will probably choose the latter of the two. convenience wins.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Legalization of a naturally occurring plant for the use of responsible Adults with reasonable restrictions makes since. But then you run into the O.M.G. groups who either have unfounded unreasonable fears coming from a lack of personal experience and or knowledge and those who profit in a legal way from it remaining the scourge it has been made into since it was first demonized for the following: Racism, Fear,
    Protection of Corporate Profits, Yellow Journalism, Ignorant, Incompetent, and/or Corrupt Legislators, Personal Career Advancement and Greed. you can read the whole story at: Why is Marijuana Illegal?
    Add to all this today the economic impact closing prisons would cause. Naturally this will not be discussed in public, and the old BS about it being the gateway drug of the ages leading to all other drug abuse save those addicted to prescription drugs. I have been criticized soundly for arguing that this gateway argument is flawed and if they want to find something all pot smokers have in their past to tie them together look no farther than Milk. Every single person who uses this herd started out with milk and progressed from there.
    I rest my case. Oh and By the way I am not a smoker myself.................................Any more.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by jallman View Post
    I am pretty sure that if most stoners had to go through hooking up with another stoner and possibly or possibly not getting their 1/8th or going down to the corner market and buying a pack of rolled joints, they will probably choose the latter of the two. convenience wins.
    Really ? And is this proving to be a difficulty for the millions of Americans who already did it this month ? I think QUALITY wins, and if you care to look into the matter, government pot was and is garbage. Furthermore, I think stoners would rather talk to a fellow stoner than some square in a white labcoat at an overlit pharmacy. Recognize also the fact that your pharmacist's will start out with ZERO percent market share and no convincing way to grow it.
    Squares in white lab coats don't have a lot of credibility in the recreational drug context.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Everybody likes to think this, but if the DEA can't make a dent in the activity, how the hell is the IRS gonna do ? After the DEA trained them to stay hidden, I doubt your IRS will find them.
    That's easy. Production and sale should be in the hands of legitimate businesses who pay taxes instead of the criminal underground. If it were possible to buy safe, legal, and regulated weed from an authorized source, the free market would put underground dealers out of business. Just like the moonshiners, rum runners, and speak easies died out when alcohol prohibition was repealed. Even with heavy taxation, the price would still be lower than the black market where it's worth almost its weight in gold.

    Sure there would be a few people who still grow their own to avoid the taxes, but the ability to brew your own beer and grow your own tobacco hasn't been a significant problem in that regard, so I highly doubt weed would be any different.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Voidwar View Post
    Really ? And is this proving to be a difficulty for the millions of Americans who already did it this month ? I think QUALITY wins, and if you care to look into the matter, government pot was and is garbage. Furthermore, I think stoners would rather talk to a fellow stoner than some square in a white labcoat at an overlit pharmacy. Recognize also the fact that your pharmacist's will start out with ZERO percent market share and no convincing way to grow it.
    Squares in white lab coats don't have a lot of credibility in the recreational drug context.
    Really? Because I think a lot of Californians who get their pot from licensed outlets might disagree with you.

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    Re: Judge: It's 'high time' to legalize pot

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    That's easy. Production and sale should be in the hands of legitimate businesses who pay taxes instead of the criminal underground.
    Sez You. If a guy grows weed and another buys it, and both of them could care less about your opinion, then what is your "should" really worth ? Why should a pot dollar do anything but pay a pot producer ? Sin taxes are not rationally defendable, so you are hard pressed to convince me that dodging them is not the smart play. If a stupid person is convinced that I owe him money, when I don't, should I pay him, or avoid him ?

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    If it were possible to buy safe, legal, and regulated weed from an authorized source, the free market would put underground dealers out of business.
    Weed is already safe, it does not need to be regulated, and your "authorized" is actually meaningless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Just like the moonshiners, rum runners, and speak easies died out when alcohol prohibition was repealed.
    You can still find moonshine if you try.

    I believe speakeasies were replaced by "keggers", and the smugglers are still in business, just with a new cargo.

    Quote Originally Posted by Binary_Digit View Post
    Even with heavy taxation, the price would still be lower than the black market where it's worth almost its weight in gold.
    The artificial price exists because of the illegality. Try to steal this value with a sin tax, and the underground producer lowers his price, in a price war, till both are at production cost. Once you reach production cost, there's no new revenue stream in the first place. You people need to think about the next step of your actions. There is no money in legal pot. Try to go get it, and price war drives price down to production cost. The artificial value cannot be appropriated as taxes.

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