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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    Mexico is considered an upper-middle income country. And Mexico City (the center of the outbreak) is wealthier still. It is a place where people watch television, use transportation other than their feet to get to work, and can afford to buy surgical masks. In other words, not a lot different from many American cities.
    A note about Mexico City. It is a place I know well (I used to live in Mexico, not far from the capital). It is a city of polarities; there are areas of opulence, and there are slums as well. Overall, it isn't as bad as some parts of the country of which I can think, but trying to generalize about a place like Mexico City is exceedingly difficult.


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Harry, if that is what you choose to do, fine that's your call. But I think it is ill-advised to say there is NOTHING you can do but hope your immune system fights it off.
    I'm well sure that anything you can do will offer minimal results in prevention.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Isolation and using PPE if you must go out is one way of avoiding catching the flu. If you choose not to do this, that's your call... others may have different priorities, depending on the circumstances.
    PPE is questionable at best.

    Consider human ticks and things you do everyday which puts you in contact with your hands and face.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    There are also antiviral drugs, one of which has been determined to be effective against this strain of H1N1.
    How available are these antivirals?

    It may be effective but I'm not convinced this isn't alarmist media.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    If you choose to do nothing but hope for the best, that's your decision, but allow others the luxury of making their own choices rather than telling them there's nothing anyone can do, which isn't correct.
    There are things you can do, however, its questionable if they will have any real reasonable effect.
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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Since I'm an upbeat kind of guy, I'm going to try to put a positive spin on this one. If 10% of the worldwide population dies, that sure might help our economic crisis; the unemployment problem might clear up, for one. It sure would take a load off of the biosphere. And do you guys remember the Black Plague? Yeah, tons of people died, et cetera, but what happened right after that? The Renaissance! Everybody likes pretty paintings and music! So buck up!


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    Since I'm an upbeat kind of guy, I'm going to try to put a positive spin on this one. If 10% of the worldwide population dies, that sure might help our economic crisis; the unemployment problem might clear up, for one. It sure would take a load off of the biosphere. And do you guys remember the Black Plague? Yeah, tons of people died, et cetera, but what happened right after that? The Renaissance! Everybody likes pretty paintings and music! So buck up!


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    Job opportunities galore!
    My point exactly, man! This whole thing might even end feudalism again!


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    My point exactly, man! This whole thing might even end feudalism again!


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    I'm taking the role as Rafael. He was considered a hotty in his time.
    Sounds like a plan. I'm going to shoot for Leo da Vinci; he might be a tough act to follow, but I think I'm just the man for the job.


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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    There are things you can do, however, its questionable if they will have any real reasonable effect.
    Harry, you seem quite determined to put down any efforts at self-protection from this as mostly useless. I have to wonder if that's to justify your own decision to do nothing.

    I'm not just throwing this advice out from under my hat. I've consulted with doctors, homeland-security advisors whose specialty was pandemics and bioattacks, and other experts to come up with a plan to minimize the risk of catching a pandemic viral.

    All were in agreement that isolation was the foremost strategy. Secondarily, PPE if you simply must go out among people during a wave of contagion. Thirdly, antivirals if you can get them in case you get infected anyway.

    Whether the risks justify these measures depends on the exact situation, and we don't know that yet...but we do know cases are popping up around the world on an hourly basis, and we know Mexico has experienced a substantial fatality rate.

    Every individual will make their own call on how they will respond, IF this goes into an actual pandemic with significant mortality. I think putting down the methods that doctors and other experts say is the best course of action in a pandemic is unwise advice.

    I am far from "panic mode" or "alarmism" on this one, but I am watching it closely. The CDC says we are overdue for a pandemic of some kind, and this one is looking like a real possiblity. It may seem to happen very fast if it does go pandemic, and I'm just advising people to be ready... if not this one, there will be another and probably soon. Also, judging the fatality rate is tricky this early on... it may turn out to be nothing, it may turn out to be worse than it looks now.

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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Harry, you seem quite determined to put down any efforts at self-protection from this as mostly useless. I have to wonder if that's to justify your own decision to do nothing.
    Not at all.

    I'm being realistic. They are mostly useless.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I'm not just throwing this advice out from under my hat. I've consulted with doctors, homeland-security advisors whose specialty was pandemics and bioattacks, and other experts to come up with a plan to minimize the risk of catching a pandemic viral.
    I understand. Like I said before I'm being realistic.

    There will be one time that all of those protections will fail because humans don't normally operate under those conditions with constant use of PPE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    All were in agreement that isolation was the foremost strategy. Secondarily, PPE if you simply must go out among people during a wave of contagion. Thirdly, antivirals if you can get them in case you get infected anyway.
    Isolation is the only way to avoid it in my opinion.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Whether the risks justify these measures depends on the exact situation, and we don't know that yet...but we do know cases are popping up around the world on an hourly basis, and we know Mexico has experienced a substantial fatality rate.
    First thing is that we don't know the fatality rate since not everyone reports getting sick.

    Some get sick and get over it.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    Every individual will make their own call on how they will respond, IF this goes into an actual pandemic with significant mortality. I think putting down the methods that doctors and other experts say is the best course of action in a pandemic is unwise advice.
    Its fine to do that.
    I'm skeptical of what the media says because they also said global warming exists.

    Quote Originally Posted by Goshin View Post
    I am far from "panic mode" or "alarmism" on this one, but I am watching it closely. The CDC says we are overdue for a pandemic of some kind, and this one is looking like a real possiblity. It may seem to happen very fast if it does go pandemic, and I'm just advising people to be ready... if not this one, there will be another and probably soon. Also, judging the fatality rate is tricky this early on... it may turn out to be nothing, it may turn out to be worse than it looks now.

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    It may, I'm not sure because there isn't enough evidence.

    When enough evidence exists it will be either to late or not a big deal anymore.
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    Re: SNAP ANALYSIS-New swine flu likely widespread, experts say

    Quote Originally Posted by Duke View Post
    My point exactly, man! This whole thing might even end feudalism again!


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    All of you gleefully hoping for 10% of the world's population to die should be absolutely ashamed of yourselves. That's sick sick sick.

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