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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    You are looking at the raw numbers, they impress easily.

    Where is the money going and how will that help us moving forward against such threats as a nuclear armed N.Korea?
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    You are looking at the raw numbers, they impress easily.

    Where is the money going and how will that help us moving forward against such threats as a nuclear armed N.Korea?
    No, i'm looking at the entire defense budget, not just the raw numbers. In addition, the budget shows where Obama and company want to spend the money allocated towards defense. If you wish to take a look at the military budget for yourself, I provided the direct link to the budget as well as numerous news articles discussing it.

    I answered your question in my previous post, and provided the link to the actual DOD abstract. To repeat, "He (Obama) has called for an increase in troop size, increased pay and benefits for the troops, improved care for wounded servicemembers, expanded pay for retired military personnel and Veterans Disability Compensation, and full monetary support for our troops in Afghanistan. And to accomplish this, he has increased - not cut back - defense funding (Source: About.com: http://www.whitehouse.gov/omb/assets/fy2010_new_era/Department_of_Defense.pdf)." That's where the money is going.

    As for how all this helps against a nuclear armed North Korea, I couldn't tell you. Perhaps the Obama Administration believes an increase in troops and funding to be the answer as opposed to the increased stockpile of new weaponry or nuclear missiles. The real debate is over the issue of where you think the defense money is best allocated, not that Obama "wants to cut back on defending our nation", because that's a falsehood.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama has called to cut back our nuclear weapons
    About time. Why should any country in the world abide to the NPT when the US, one of the leading signers of it blatantly refuses to live up to its own obligations? And the notion that we need more nukes is insane.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Obama didn't even back up his mouth with a diplomatic response of any merit(the UN resolution was pathetic-bad bad North Korea+enfore existing sanctions)for North Koreas missile launch.

    There is no harm in talking.....there is when its ALL you ever do and ALL anyone ever expects you to do.

    Whatever..diplomatic actions, world events, mannerisms of leaders, all show they take Obama for a twit.

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    Keep in mind Obamas mentality is formed by College. Its flippant and simple. Its why he thinks reading a teleprompter at you is doing something.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by creativedreams View Post
    With N. Korea in the shadows of big daddy China this is a no win situation for the U.S. I honestly don't think there will be a thing we can do except deal with them having big weapons. If we put any more pressure then we may create situation worse than the cold war.
    Possibly, but what people forget is (as with the case in Iran), is that a use of such weapons on their part dooms their regime. I always found it interesting how people think that regimes which have gone to extreme measures to stay in power and never risk their own lives will suddenly change that attitude for relatively small gains.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Ah yes the "If the do anything we will destroy them with our nukes! RAWR!"

    If this was 20 years ago..no doubt.
    Now?...lol... Neither I nor our enemies have any reason to believe that.



    Can't handle killing Terrorists who attacked the USA(hell you guys can't even handle holding them), can't handle a very light wars in Iraq and Afghanistan, canlt even face up to Iran......
    BUT you can handle lobbing a thermonuclear warhead 10k miles to detonate over a major population center...yeah SUUUURE
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by obvious Child View Post
    About time. Why should any country in the world abide to the NPT when the US, one of the leading signers of it blatantly refuses to live up to its own obligations? And the notion that we need more nukes is insane.
    We need to maintain our inventory, cause nuclear material tends to degrade over time....

    And Nuclear weapons keep the peace, something ever so many people seem to forget.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    We need to maintain our inventory, cause nuclear material tends to degrade over time.
    Do you realize just how large our inventory is? Furthermore, we spend billions on testing nuclear critical masses. The rate of degradation is hardly as fast as you make out it to be.

    And Nuclear weapons keep the peace, something ever so many people seem to forget.
    Except we don't need a thousand of them do to that job.

    And you did not address our obligations under the NPT.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    We need to maintain our inventory, cause nuclear material tends to degrade over time....
    I'm sorry but how do they degrade over time? Most of these missiles are mobile ready still. They don't degrade given our life span. And given our number, how can anyone say we need to keep our current cold war number active?

    Do you even realize how many nuclear missles we have currently to pretty much make an ice age? We have over 10,000 the times currently. Getting rid of a many does not kill our chances of destroying the human race which is something I think you enjoy actually.
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    Re: N. Korea Says It Has Restarted Nuclear Facilities

    Quote Originally Posted by TheNextEra View Post
    I'm sorry but how do they degrade over time?
    Radioactive decay. The core of a modern nuclear weapon is weapons grade plutonium or uranium. Both of which undergo radioactive decay into more stable elements. While the half life of either is in the millions of years, not every atom of plutonium and uranium decays at the same time, thus individual atoms are slowly losing their capacity to be used as fissile material.

    They don't degrade given our life span.
    Yes they do, but not in a real noticeable way. Yields are reduced, but the weapon still works.
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