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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'm not sure, i don't think so. I'll check if you want

    The law does not need to step in.
    The thousands of people will sort it out.
    If a white guy called somebody a "N*gg*r", in front of thousands... that doesn't risk inciting violence?

    yes/No?

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    If a white guy called somebody a "N*gg*r", in front of thousands... that doesn't risk inciting violence?
    I'd say Yes.
    It is also defined as "Racial hatred"
    Who and i quote 'uses threatening, abusive or insulting words' intending to stir up racial hatred
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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    I'd say Yes.
    Thanks for your straight answers.

    I could have ended after your first answer as you could not, or had difficulty defining if an offense had occurred.
    This is ripe grounds for abuse. When the law can be swizzled around to get the intended result for the party seeking damage... that is scary, as you can see where it will lead.

    The second answer... "yes" to a white guy called somebody a "N*gg*r", in front of thousands" has actually happened not too long ago. Except the white guy was black, the user of the term also wanted to castrate the individual referred to as "N*gg*r", and it was in front of Millions, not thousands. I suppose you would begin a process to incarcerate Jesse Jackson, and if not... why not?

    This... illustrates the dangerous sliding scale of justice when such laws are implemented.

    They are... ripe to be abused... and how.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    If in UK, sure.
    But i'd assume it occured in US which prides itself on it's 1st Amendment. So anything goes no?


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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    If in UK, sure.
    But i'd assume it occured in US which prides itself on it's 1st Amendment. So anything goes no?
    Point being and point proven... such laws are ripe for abuse.

    If it is so in the UK, do Mohammad cartoons count?
    Lord knows beheadings, terror attacks and the like generate no public outrage amongst Muslims, but a few cartoons of Mohammed do.
    So... cartoons incite religious violence... therefore the cartoonists should be punished under the law.

    Which means cartoonists must look over their shoulder or submit cartoons to the Dept. of Censorship... to be safe.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    The cartoons do not go under it.
    Freedom of press in UK is held up, if a newspaper wish to publish something. They have that right too.

    Someone calling me the N word, would do so with the intent to offend. The cartoons was not drawn with the sole purpose and intention to offend and therefore i do not view it as hate speech in anyway.

    Exactly.
    If Muslims went just as crazy over beheadings, bombings and stonings. We may have the ground to shout if someone is seen as insulting us. But since we don't; we need to learn to shut up and tolerate it
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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    The cartoons do not go under it.
    Freedom of press in UK is held up, if a newspaper wish to publish something. They have that right too.

    Someone calling me the N word, would do so with the intent to offend. The cartoons was not drawn with the sole purpose and intention to offend and therefore i do not view it as hate speech in anyway.
    So Jesse Jackson's comments to a "hot mic" are ripe for criminal prosecution?
    Or is skin color an exception too?

    Does a journalist have the "Right" to incite violence?
    So, if David Duke were a journalist spouting his blather it would exempt him too?
    A little like Murtha using his position as a Congressman do hide from his remarks about the case brought against him better known as Haditha.

    http://warchronicle.com/MurthaFile/L...eply7.9.07.pdf

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    So Jesse Jackson's comments to a "hot mic" are ripe for criminal prosecution?
    Or is skin color an exception too?
    Nope, it's the same in my eyes.


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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Nope, it's the same in my eyes.
    At least you are consistent.

    I disagree with your view about punishing offensive speech, white, greem, yellow or brown profusely, but respect your honesty.

    You obviously seek a tranquil existence, and believe this is a good way but the costs are far greater than the imagined tranquility; the hostilities simply go underground and cannot be released or addressed as the individual wishes; as distasteful as you or I may find it.

    The former Yugoslavia is a power example. They had a tranquil coexistence during Commi times, but the hostilities obviously did not cease. When unleashed it was with tremendous force and cost.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    I disagree profusely, but respect your honesty.

    You obviously seek a tranquil existence, and believe this is a good way but the costs are far greater than the imagined tranquility; the hostilities simply go underground and cannot be released or addressed as the individual wishes; as distasteful as you or I may find it.
    I try to be consistent.

    Perhaps the costs are great and the Govt. can manipulate and abuse such systems but every law and system is open to abuse. But on the whole, the law does more good than it does bad from my viewpoint.
    Such laws protect Gays, minorities from abuse and discrimination. That is surely something that should be good not bad.
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