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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Harry Guerrilla View Post
    He is a master jerk off but that doesn't give anyone the right to detain him for it.
    I first thought they had incarcerated Senator Byrd.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    He is not a European citizen. He is an American. If you wish to have the right to say whatever you want, stay in US.

    He broke the law, he is being convicted under that law. The laws doesn't suddenly exempt you if you come from a country where it is not a crime.

    I'm happy right now thanks, i do not want a first amendment that protects anything and everything
    Only what YOU believe is right and truthful... right?

    It's a very slippery slope, just ask Mark Steyn about the Kanuckistani's.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by jamesrage View Post
    the public usually panics during the time of crises and gives up basic rights.
    This is true for every country, not just Europe.


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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Only what YOU believe is right and truthful... right?

    It's a very slippery slope, just ask Mark Steyn about the Kanuckistani's.

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    No.
    I do not pick and choose.

    Slippery slope but balance is everything and generally we are doing an all right job imo.
    I support laws against hate speech.


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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    No.
    I do not pick and choose.

    Slippery slope but balance is everything and generally we are doing an all right job imo.
    I support laws against hate speech.
    I say if they want to make idiots out of themeselves let them go for it.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by winston53660 View Post
    I say if they want to make idiots out of themeselves let them go for it.
    Perhaps but the bottom line is a law was broken no matter how much you personally see it as FOS.

    He was stupid to not research the laws of a country before entering.


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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Perhaps but the bottom line is a law was broken no matter how much you personally see it as FOS.

    He was stupid to not research the laws of a country before entering.
    I understand the reasoning behind the law in Germany. I can be both for and against it.

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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    The US doesn't have any laws against Holocaust denial. It would violate our Constitution.
    Not what I said. I said the US, Russia, France, UK and other allies forced many nations in Europe, including Germany and Austria, to put these laws on the books after WW2.
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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Kandahar View Post
    There aren't any laws in America denying slavery, Native American genocide, or Japanese internment camps. Nor should there be.
    Well, you might not have laws against it, but there has been a collective denial of the truth for generations on some of those. Even today, you would be hard pressed for a right winger to admit that the US committed genocide against the native American population...It dont always need to take laws for a population to be in total denial of past misdeeds. Look at the Japanese and their WW2 history. Look at the Turks and the Armenian genocide.. look at certain politicians in Rwanda today who blame for the genocide but we all know that they participated in it as well. Denial can be a very strong and dangerous thing.

    If they're making threats or committing violent acts or plotting domestic acts of terrorism, then by all means lock them up. But just for having their opinions? Definitely not. People should be able to voice any opinion they want, no matter how retarded, as long as it doesn't directly harm anyone.

    Saying the Holocaust didn't happen doesn't cause harm to anyone.
    In principle I agree, however reality is another thing.

    We have seen time and time again situations where someone has claimed something and it has stuck as fact, regardless of the truth. Now in most cases it has not had any huge consequences, but in certain cases it has. In recent history we have the famous WMD, and we have the Saddam and links to Al Q, and we have the Gulf of Tomkin incident. Falsehoods can have dire consequences if pushed to the extreme and then being accepted as "fact". Even today you have considerably number of people in the US who actually believe that Saddam was behind 9/11.. are they stupid sure, but that does not change the fact that they believe what some people of "power and influence" have said.

    Now in the case of holocaust denial we have 2 factors at least at play.

    For one we have laws put in place by a 3rd party, namely the victors of WW2, of which the US was a key member.

    Secondly we have nations where the atrocities of WW2 hit very hard and it is often human nature to be in denial of such things even with proof after proof. We have the American Indian example and the Japanese WW2 example or the Turkish Armenian example.

    Now in such cases I would be all for having laws in place to punish people who actively spread lies and misinformation in order to press an aura of denial of past deeds. After all the saying goes.. If you dont understand history then you are doomed to repeat it... and frankly I would rather not.

    And lets not forget, in the US at one point it was a crime to be a communist or have communist ideals.. well in fact just being accused of it was enough to get you convicted once.

    But in this case, he broke the law.. he goes to jail. Jaywalking is not illegal in most of Europe, yet in the US you can get fined and thrown in jail. Does that mean that because I come from Europe I can not be punished for jaywalking? No of course not, but I still find the whole idea idiotic.
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    Re: Former KKK leader detained in Prague

    Quote Originally Posted by Laila View Post
    Yes it does.
    He is not in US. There is no constitution protecting your rights in Europe. Besides, when you enter a country. You abide by the laws. If not, you suffer the consequences. No more than what would happen if someone broke the law in US.
    I don't agree with hate speech laws. They violate mans natural rights, something I believe everyone has.

    I don''t care how many hurt feelings there are, the guy didn't really do anything wrong to anyone.

    He's just an incredible douche bag. That is not a crime.
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