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    UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    VIENNA (AP) - The U.S. is obligated by a United Nations convention to prosecute Bush administration lawyers who allegedly drafted policies that approved the use of harsh interrogation tactics against terrorism suspects, the U.N.'s top anti-torture envoy said Friday.

    Earlier this week, President Barack Obama left the door open to prosecuting Bush administration officials who devised the legal authority for gruesome terror-suspect interrogations. He had previously absolved CIA officers from prosecution.
    UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Yeah, we're gonna go the third world route??

    Hell we didn't even try Robert E Lee after the Civil War! Nixon didn't go after LBJ, Ford didn't go after Nixon, Reagan didn't go after Carter...

    But no, Mr. Hope and Change, this is what you people really want? It's over folks, if we start prosecuting previous administrations...
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Yeah, we're gonna go the third world route??

    Hell we didn't even try Robert E Lee after the Civil War! Nixon didn't go after LBJ, Ford didn't go after Nixon, Reagan didn't go after Carter...

    But no, Mr. Hope and Change, this is what you people really want? It's over folks, if we start prosecuting previous administrations...
    Can anyone really be surprised by the events unfolding here?

    The recent decision to release photos showing prisoner "abuse" in Afghanistan and Iraq will just wrench open more wounds and divide this nation and anger some in the Middle East even more.

    Forget the FACT that the abusers were subject to court martial and prosecuted. It begs the question why? The answer is obvious for anyone with half a brain.



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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Yeah, we're gonna go the third world route??

    Hell we didn't even try Robert E Lee after the Civil War! Nixon didn't go after LBJ, Ford didn't go after Nixon, Reagan didn't go after Carter...

    But no, Mr. Hope and Change, this is what you people really want? It's over folks, if we start prosecuting previous administrations...
    Yes, that is absolutely what we want. No question about it. Should we torture? No. Did we torture? Yes according to both standing US and international definitions and law. Should the people who ordered it be tried for war crimes? Yes. We are America, we are better than those we are fighting but unfortunately some of you don't act like it.
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Yes, that is absolutely what we want. No question about it. Should we torture? No. Did we torture? Yes according to both standing US and international definitions and law. Should the people who ordered it be tried for war crimes? Yes. We are America, we are better than those we are fighting but unfortunately some of you don't act like it.
    Yes, we will be so much safer now telling our enemies that; (1) we will never invade another country as long as we live regardless of their actions because we don't believe in Democracy or Nation Building; (2) In the event we actually catch you, we will provide you with Constitutional rights that are non-existent in your own nations; and (3) we will coddle you and never use any "mean spirited" methods to extract information you do not wish to share.

    You see, we are now the beloved Community Organization of the United States and with our newly minted morality towards terrorists; everyone will now love us and tell us just about anything we want to know. But heck, with all this newly discovered respect, we won’t have to worry about terrorists, despots, tyrants or Dictators because they will either respect us, or realize we are completely helpless and irrelevant to do anything to them.

    Liberals and Democrats now OWN the future and possible loss of life that will result from these idiotic, naive and completely foolish notions about Human behavior and REALITY.

    You cannot fabricate the level of ignorance currently infesting our Congress and the White House.

    Carry on.

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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Yes, that is absolutely what we want. No question about it. Should we torture? No. Did we torture? Yes according to both standing US and international definitions and law. Should the people who ordered it be tried for war crimes? Yes. We are America, we are better than those we are fighting but unfortunately some of you don't act like it.
    Well, let's start talking about prosecuting Obama for his use of airborne drones dropping missiles on civilians in Pakistan.

    After all we are America, we are better than that.

    Get ready Obama you ***damned war criminal.
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    So, even if we assume laws were broken here . . .

    A lawyer who advises a criminal may be prosecuted for it?

    Do you people have any idea what kind of backwards, slack-jawed, anti-intellectual, illiberal idiocy you're spewing? Seriously?

    I guess that means the right to counsel is out the window. And you people love to jabber about "shredding the Constitution."
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Indy View Post
    Yes, that is absolutely what we want. No question about it. Should we torture? No. Did we torture? Yes according to both standing US and international definitions and law. Should the people who ordered it be tried for war crimes? Yes. We are America, we are better than those we are fighting but unfortunately some of you don't act like it.
    Do you have any care of the implications this sort of behavior will have as we move forward?

    Sure, you can stick your head in the sand and assume that it means "we'll never torture again!"

    But let's be realistic. Some future issue arises, the WH seeks legal advice on certain actions it feels, at the time to be appropriate. Would ANY lawyer in the world advise them either way and risk being jailed by the next admin?

    This isn't the way people. This has nothing to do with political parties and everything to do with keeping the integrity of our Republic alive. We go down this road...
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    So, even if we assume laws were broken here . . .

    A lawyer who advises a criminal may be prosecuted for it?

    Do you people have any idea what kind of backwards, slack-jawed, anti-intellectual, illiberal idiocy you're spewing? Seriously?

    I guess that means the right to counsel is out the window. And you people love to jabber about "shredding the Constitution."
    I'll put it simply, for simple minds: The people who should be prosecuted are those who break the law. It's really that simple.

    That means if someone (President, Vice President, Secretary of Defense, etc) authorizes an illegal policy - he can be prosecuted.

    If a lawyer gave advice, contrary to our laws there are ways to deal with him also. Prosecution is only one of them. i.e. (that means "for instance") It is against the law to lie under oath. If a lawyer advised his client to lie under oath he himself could be prosecuted. He could also be prosecuted if he even knew his client was going to lie because he is an "Officer of the Court".

    Do you really think your name calling intimidates anyone? Do you think it gives any credence to your argument?
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Then you support prosecution of Obama for war crimes for his ordering attacks on civilians in Pakistan? ACES!
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    ...Would ANY lawyer in the world advise them either way and risk being jailed by the next admin?
    Well, that's just what Bush's lawyers did. They assumed they were untouchable because they worked for the President. WRONG! Talk about balls! Water boarding has been illegal since before 1900, I believe. Yet, they arrogantly thought they could word policy to do it. It boggles the mind!

    No man is supposed to be above the law. Whether they are prosecuted for their crimes is another matter.
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