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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    I don't think anybody is stating that it is OK to "torture." The argument is whether or not what America did to the very few is to be considered as torture.
    First off, more than just "a few" were tortured. We're not talking only about water boarding here. And most of them were innocent! Does that matter to you?

    You people are so obsessed with international law, narrowly interpreted, that you seek to handcuff our efforts, which allow the terrorists to turn borders and legalisms against us.
    "so obsessed with international law"? Yeah, that's a terrible thing to be concerned of. Col. Jessip was also arrested for breaking a law that he thought didn't have to be followed.
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    The argument is whether or not it's appropriate to prosecute attorneys for giving good-faith legal advice simply because you don't like that advice.
    They wrote memos advising that it was legal to perform an act they very well knew was illegal. THAT is something they can be held accountable for. And they soon will.
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

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    You showed nothing of the sort. You only showed that you don't comprehend the fact that there was a difference of Iraq's WMD program between 1998 and 2002. In '98 he had them. In '02 he didn't, no matter how you twist the facts.
    Military intelligence recognized this in 1999. In fact, General Zinni (CENTCOM) discovered the intelligence problem during the bombing campaign in Iraq occurred in. When he asked the Clinton team for WMD targets in Iraq, he was met with confusion, non-WMD targets, and a lot of possibles.

    But Iraq was about something else. You people who contuinue to think that WMD was the reason we finally rid ourselves of the UN's 12 year containment mission is either blind or purposely clinging to protestor rant. Whether or not Hussein held WMD was still a confused indefinate matter to a CIA that was trained to combat the Soviet Union. But with Osama Bin Laden using Iraq's containment and a U.S. military presence in Saudi Arabia (which continued to grow every time Hussein sent his troops to the Kuwaiti border to satisfy his image to the region) we were faced with little options. We either (1) continued the UN's mission, which meant the continual building of the rage of religious fanatics looking for excuses, or (2) left the UN mission to maintain the dictator and leave Saudi Arabia and leave the region to the mad man who had invaded two seperate bordering nations twice before while he toyed with Kuwait even while we were there, or (3) we rid ourselves of the UN burden once and for all and steer the outcome towards a democracy in the heart land of oppression and religious brutality.

    Many contradictions with these choices. Self righteous Americans self-flaggilate over our dictator support and maintainment during the Cold War, yet more than willing to turn a blinds eye as we maintained Saddam Hussein for the United Nations. These same worthless people seek to blame America for the 9/11 attacks while freely giving Osama Bin Laden's complaints about our behaviors against his people, yet seem to ignore such things when it came to what we were doing to Iraqis for twelve years. Leftist hypocrits preach about human and civil rights, yet more than willing to remain behind the pulpit whiloe shedding crocodile tears towards the suffering while insisting that the most powerful nation on earth remain apathetic.

    The only thing ignorant protestors care to cling to was whether or not Hussein had WMD. Because it is simple and because it can sum up their false sentiments. WMD as the end all be all factor helops them to pretend that their are no other issues and that they can be excused for their lack of knowledge about this region. Somehow, their arguments over how we treat the world or how we deserve to be hated or how we don't practice what we preach loses all focus when it came to a thorn in our side that long outlived his expiration date. When it comes down to it, protestors and leftists proved to the world that they are full of ****.


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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    First off, more than just "a few" were tortured. We're not talking only about water boarding here. And most of them were innocent! Does that matter to you?
    Really? Who? How many? The fact is that only a few were.


    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    "so obsessed with international law"? Yeah, that's a terrible thing to be concerned of.
    It sure is. Especially when that international law was created by 19th century kaisers, kings, and czars to protect themselves from each other. And the international law of Geneva (which is more Western than "international") is ill suited to this enemy. National laws change. Borders change. Societies change. Funny how International laws are set in concrete no matter how much the world around it changes.

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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    The only thing ignorant protestors care to cling to was whether or not Hussein had WMD. Because it is simple ...
    You sound like you just got back from 'Nam.

    I hate to interrupt your rah rahing buuuut, people "cling to" whether Hussein had WMDs because THAT IS THE BS EXCUSE LIE we were given by Bush to invade Iraq! Period! You can twist it any testosterone filled direction you want to but, the truth is Bush lied to us as to why he invaded Iraq, killing more than 4,000 Americans! THAT is why we cling to it.

    You ave no idea with what I agree with.
    I'm beginning to. Whatever our leaders tell us we're supposed to swallow, right? Wrong!

    But you are a victim of the media.
    I am a student of the facts. You seem to be a victim of "No order can be wrong."
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by GySgt View Post
    Really? Who? How many? The fact is that only a few were.




    It sure is. Especially when that international law was created by 19th century kaisers, kings, and czars to protect themselves from each other. And the international law of Geneva (which is more Western than "international") is ill suited to this enemy. National laws change. Borders change. Societies change. Funny how International laws are set in concrete no matter how much the world around it changes.
    Time to wake up Dorothy.
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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I hate to interrupt your rah rahing buuuut, people "cling to" whether Hussein had WMDs because THAT IS THE BS EXCUSE LIE we were given by Bush to invade Iraq! Period!
    Ah, so your wisdom of international events relied (relies) upon whether or not somebody tells you something. I wonder how much Obama isn't telling you. Or do you think that sound bytes and microphones will reveal all to you without your taking an extra step to understand things on your own? The facts are that Bush also spoke of other things before the military crossed the Kuwaiti border to rid ourselves of the UN burden once and for all. There was talks of democracy, ongoing humanitarian issues, and further containment.

    People cling to WMD because they are too stupid to open their eyes to other factors.



    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I'm beginning to. Whatever our leaders tell us we're supposed to swallow, right? Wrong!
    Now you are getting it. If you opened your eyes sooner, you might have realized that the containment mission of the UN with the U.S. military being jostled about in the region, which gave Bin Laden an excuse for 9/11 was the problem of Iraq.

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    I am a student of the facts.
    You are a student of selected facts. And this is why "WMD" remains the only factor for Iraq to you.

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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    Time to wake up Dorothy.
    Maybe you should and recognize reality over the fantasy. And by the way, thus far, your erroneous complaint that others are ignoring the MOD call for civility becomes more and more foolish as you continue to post these types of things.

    So far, I have produced good argument and conversation. You, however, have not contributed at all and simply whine and protest without substance.

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    Re: UN torture envoy: US must prosecute Bush lawyers

    Quote Originally Posted by ADK_Forever View Post
    They wrote memos advising that it was legal to perform an act they very well knew was illegal. THAT is something they can be held accountable for. And they soon will.
    You haven't even read the memos; how could you possibly know what was in their heads?

    Heck, why bother with a trial? Why not just take them behind the motor pool and shoot them?
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