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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

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    meh pakistan to staten island..... lateral move.
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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    Obama's support for Pakistan is not the same as Bush had, and his policy of attacking the Taliban openly on Pakistan soil has caused a big dust up with the Pakistani population.

    I.E. Less support for the Government and attacks on their soil openly have helped to destabilize the Pakistani Government.

    It's no coincident that with the change in US Policy the Taliban in that country have become more popular and more aggressive.

    For eight years Bush treated Pakistan as a valued Ally and while the government had problems, never like it does now with the change in how we do business with them.

    Yet you refuse to take this into account.
    Don't presume to guess what I take into account. The Bush administration ignored Pakistan and diverted its attention from Afghanistan, the Taliban, Alqaeda and Osama. It didn't care. It presumed that region of the world would wait for guidance. Like you, they presumed too much. Bush appeased the Taliban, and you approved that appeasement.

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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Don't presume to guess what I take into account. The Bush administration ignored Pakistan and diverted its attention from Afghanistan, the Taliban, Alqaeda and Osama. It didn't care. It presumed that region of the world would wait for guidance. Like you, they presumed too much. Bush appeased the Taliban, and you approved that appeasement.
    Right, nice dodge.

    Bush didn't ignore the Taliban, they took them out of Afghanistan. made Pakistan an ALLY int he war on terror...

    Wait, hold up, you call all the support Bush gave Pakistan... ignoreing them?


    And yet.. now... oh my,you really are incapable of seeing the problem here aren't you?

    Bush "ignored Pakistan" and the Taliban was kept under control. Obama comes in and "pays attention to Pakistan" and now the government might fall, yes that really shows to be Bush's fault
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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Don't presume to guess what I take into account. The Bush administration ignored Pakistan and diverted its attention from Afghanistan, the Taliban, Alqaeda and Osama. It didn't care. It presumed that region of the world would wait for guidance. Like you, they presumed too much. Bush appeased the Taliban, and you approved that appeasement.
    You might want to loosen the chinstrap of your DailyKOS Tin Foil Hat there.

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    Yeh, Bush gave Pakistan $20 billion. Where do you suppose that money is now?
    If Bush defeated the Taliban, how come they're about to overrun Pakistan? When will you admit your guy turned his back on a real enemy and allowed them to rebuild in Pakistan? We had the Taliban crippled and could have killed them off, then Bush and Cheney diverted our forces to Iraq. They made excuses about how the Taliban was finished, and then they ignored them while the Taliban grew and moved into Pakistan. You call that keeping us safe?

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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Bush appeased the Taliban, and you approved that appeasement.
    Oh, "appeased," did he?



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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    Oh, "appeased," did he?



    What did he give them?
    What did he give them? Where should I start? How about in April of 2001, when Bush gave the Taliban $43 million and became their main sponsor in Afghanistan? US CA: Column: Bush's Faustian Deal With The Taliban

    By 2004 Bush was assuring believers like you that the Taliban was finished:
    September 2004: ďAnd as a result of the United States military, Taliban no longer is in existence. And the people of Afghanistan are now free.Ē
    But by leaving Afghanistan to chase WMD's in Iraq, Bush allowed the Taliban to return to full strength:
    While coalition forces made significant early progress against the Taliban, President Bush allowed the situation to deteriorate after deciding to invade Iraq in 2003. Since the U.S. invasion of Iraq, troops and resources have been diverted from Afghanistan. Consequently, the situation in Afghanistan has deteriorated dramatically in recent years. Currently, the Taliban has a ďpermanent presenceĒ in 75 percent of the country and exercises control over the countryís ďpolitical and military dynamic.Ē
    Bush Rewrites History: ?I Never Said The Taliban Was Eliminated?

    Bush's pandering of the Taliban, his refusal to finish the job after Afghanistan was invaded, his sucking up to the weak and corrupt president of Pakistan, all set the stage for the Taliban takeover of Pakistan. Bush was a fool, and those who supported him, who still offer excuses for his incompetence, are bigger fools

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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    One thing again needs to be stressed: Only about 20-40% of what the media calls Taliban are actually part of that organisation or part of organisations that are almost completely linked as to be almost the same.

    When people talk about the Taliban taking over parts of Pakistan one has to dig deeper to see exactly who is taking over and exactly what is going on.
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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Quote Originally Posted by WillRockwell View Post
    Bush's pandering of the Taliban...
    Bush never pandered to the Taliban. He did however, pander to Musharrif who was playing a double-game. I do agree however that Bush took his eye off the remnants of the Taliban and their ISI support. The current crisis in Pakistan/Afghanistan is a direct result of Iraq.

    Too little too late, Bush altered the rules of engagement in his previous presidential "findings" to allow US air/missile strikes within Pakistan and the insertion of US SOF on Pakistani soil.

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    Re: U.S. Questions Pakistanís Will to Stop Taliban

    Pakistan is as it is atm do to the lack luster abilitiy of their current government. Personified in President Asif Ali Zardari.
    Example of his thought process- US failed to accomplish desired goals in Afghanistan: Zardari

    Bush and Iraq have as much to do with it as China. IOW As in all things there is some effect... but they really don't matter.
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    I will say this on the general theme presented in the thread..

    The Left in this nation and the "world" loved ..absolutely loved!..to declare this region the "REAL WAR". The people there the "REAL ENEMY". Obama and the left in general loved to spin tales about Pakistan all nefarious of course.

    Well its put up or shut up time. Our enemies have called your claim out..I expect the left to support invading Pakistan no matter what the costs involved.
    THIS IS THE REAL WAR!
    ..or we're you all full of BS like usual?

    My bet is they will use the problems in Pakistan to villify both the Pakistanis and the Afghans as part of a general effort to run all Allied forces out of the region.
    When the reality of a regional war in Pakistan sinks into the lefts psyche..they will jettison the entire region..



    Their behavior is expected. Worse then that though is Obama's...
    Pakistan is making a 3am call and Obama is off playing footsy with he lunatic fringe in another inane attempt to bash Bush.

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