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    Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    The first such briefing dealt with the interrogation of Abu Zubaydah, the Al Qaeda operations chief who ran the training camps in Afghanistan where the Sept. 11 hijackers were trained. Sources said California Rep. Nancy Pelosi, now the speaker of the House, attended the meeting with then-Rep. Porter Goss, R-Fla. (who later became CIA director), and she did not raise any objections.
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    He told FOXNews.com the list will probably show many members were briefed "early and often."

    "The purpose of this, of course, is to underscore the fact that people in Congress knew or were aware of the program, its details, and they approved of this program and authorized its funding," said Jamal Ware, spokesman for Republicans on the House Intelligence Committee.
    Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations - First 100 Days of Presidency - Politics FOXNews.com

    It'll be interesting to see if these lawyers who knew and did nothing are absolved of "guilt" by the anti-"torture" crowd because they have -D at the end of their names.
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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    I think a good many prominent members of congress on both sides were well aware of what's going on. It just wasn't as politicially useful to raise objection or make a big stink about it now. The vast majority of them are a bunch of dirty crooks.

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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by MrVicchio View Post
    It'll be interesting to see if these lawyers who knew and did nothing are absolved of "guilt" by the anti-"torture" crowd because they have -D at the end of their names.
    Of course they will be absolved. After all, Democrats have whined interminably about how weak and helpless their party is without the White House. When the party proudly trumpets its own cowardice and mendacity, and is rewarded with the Oval Office, how can another example of that cowardice and mendacity even be deemed newsworthy?

    That's the real scandal in all of this--not that Democrats knew, not that they did nothing to oppose, but that it never occurred to them that, if they didn't like it, they had a duty to oppose. Such is the governance of a party whose politics reject any concept of responsibility or accountability except when sitting ineptly in judgment on others.

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    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Of course they will be absolved. After all, Democrats have whined interminably about how weak and helpless their party is without the White House. When the party proudly trumpets its own cowardice and mendacity, and is rewarded with the Oval Office, how can another example of that cowardice and mendacity even be deemed newsworthy?

    That's the real scandal in all of this--not that Democrats knew, not that they did nothing to oppose, but that it never occurred to them that, if they didn't like it, they had a duty to oppose. Such is the governance of a party whose politics reject any concept of responsibility or accountability except when sitting ineptly in judgment on others.
    Add to that the fact they voted to authorize Bush to use force, and in the Senate begged for a second vote, all in an effort to prove to Americans they were on board and for forgiveness/to hide their gruesome positions on national defense since The Church hearings.

    They used the votes so they wouldn't be destroyed politically, then when they felt comfortable going back to their old position... after The Dixie Chicks broke the ice, they did... all except Lieberman.

    It's a pathetic party that sinks so low as to use war votes for political expediency.

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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    Just like Gitmo, cart before the horse.

    You'd think they might investigate just a little bit before diving out there.
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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    Hill Briefed on Waterboarding in 2002

    In September 2002, four members of Congress met in secret for a first look at a unique CIA program designed to wring vital information from reticent terrorism suspects in U.S. custody. For more than an hour, the bipartisan group, which included current House Speaker Nancy Pelosi (D-Calif.), was given a virtual tour of the CIA's overseas detention sites and the harsh techniques interrogators had devised to try to make their prisoners talk.
    "The briefer was specifically asked if the methods were tough enough," said a U.S. official who witnessed the exchange.
    "In fairness, the environment was different then because we were closer to Sept. 11 and people were still in a panic," said one U.S. official present during the early briefings. "But there was no objecting, no hand-wringing. The attitude was, 'We don't care what you do to those guys as long as you get the information you need to protect the American people.' "
    Without rehashing yet again the question of whether waterboarding is torture, this much is certain: the Democrats knew at the time what was being done, and said nothing. Their damnation lies not in what was said, but what was not said then, and thus cannot be said now. As with other presumed Bush Administration errors and misdeeds, the Democrats were in full complicity.

    The maxim of the law is still "qui tacet consentire videtur (ubi loqui debuit ac potuit)"-- "he who is silent is taken to agree (when he ought to have spoken and was able to)". The Democrats knew, and said nothing; when they ought to have spoken, they did not; they were and remain complicit and equally accountable for these presumed misdeeds.

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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    They complain when it's in their political best interests.
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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    I agree with Zyphlin... everyone in congress, to some extent, is guilty of being complicit in the tortures that were going on and the over reaching powers that the executive branch was granted during Bush's administration.

    A lot of people remained silent on both sides of the bench and just voted according to the status quo. Few wanted to speak out and get culled from office or lynched by the public who, at the time, were largely wriled up in favour of the war on terror.

    Plus... these people are career politicians. You think they wanted to commit political suicide by opposing Bush at the time? No way Jose.

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    Re: Republicans Claim Top Lawmakers Were in the Loop on Interrogations

    Quote Originally Posted by Orius View Post
    I agree with Zyphlin... everyone in congress, to some extent, is guilty of being complicit in the tortures that were going on and the over reaching powers that the executive branch was granted during Bush's administration.

    A lot of people remained silent on both sides of the bench and just voted according to the status quo. Few wanted to speak out and get culled from office or lynched by the public who, at the time, were largely wriled up in favour of the war on terror.

    Plus... these people are career politicians. You think they wanted to commit political suicide by opposing Bush at the time? No way Jose.
    So now you think being bi-partisan is a bad idea?

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