And if you had a clue, you would realise that what you are talking about is a pipe dream along the lines of free market, santa claus, true communism and what not. Liberty has always and always will be limited within the confines of what the society you live in deems as proper.If you had a hint of clue, you would know that liberty is giving the individual the widest possible latitude in his choices, while not shielding him from the full consequences of his failures, nor denying to him the full benefits of his successes.
You sir live in a fantasy, I live in the real world. I too want as much liberty as possible, to decide my own destiny and to do what the hell I want and I have that but up to a point. I know that if I do not stay with in the law then I will risk being punished. I also know that for my liberty, there is a price. That price is both in monetary form (taxes) and in never actually achieving the full theoretical liberty that you so dream off. Like it or not, we live in a society, a group of many people, and total liberty is anarchy and unacceptable, and hence we have laws, rules and responsibilities to make sure that our civilization does not turn into another "survival of the fittest".
And? Do you think we in Europe dont bear the full responsibility and accountability for our actions? What planet are you on?If you had a notion of responsibility, you would know that responsibility and accountability come when the individual bears the full brunt of all that proceeds from his choices--that if he is reckless with his money he will have no means to support himself and his household, that if he is reckless with his health his ending will be most unpleasant, that if he is reckless with his safety he will be injured and forced to labor on thus handicapped.
Fair? Come on. Nothing in life is fair. It never has been and never will be. If life was fair, then you would not have to pay for roads in the next county, but guess what, you do. If life was fair, then you would only have to pay for the things that you actually use in society, but guess what... that would mean society would not have things like roads, military and so on. If life was fair, then you should not pay for anyone medical bills or research.. but guess what that would mean you would be at huge risk of death by common ailments.You would know the capriciousness of mandating that others gift the reckless man funds to support himself, medicines for his ill health, accommodations for his self-inflicted handicaps, and you would know such capriciousness is neither fair nor wise.
As for the man who fails or falls ill. It is in NO way in societies interest what so ever in having large portions of society in ill health. It is also in no way in societies interest in having large portions of society in poverty with no means what so ever to get out of the problem.
If you go back 100 years, we had near true liberty for a small section of the population. The rich and royals, could pretty much do what they wanted and that left a huge portion of the population in mass poverty, no education and no hope. What came out of that.. socialism, mass riots and revolutions.
Hogwash. That is a communist ideal that is like liberty a pipe dream. No where in the west do "all men have the duty to care for all men". What we do have is a system (good or bad) that helps those in need when needed. Now in Europe we go by the government way, and in the US you do it by the charity way. In reality there is not much difference. Charity is against the liberty principle, since it is helping someone that is worse off than you.You would know that burdening all men with the duty of caring for all men spares each man the consequence of his own folly, while making him answerable for the folly of others; you would know that such burdens are the antithesis of justice.
Again more hogwash. Collectivist thinking has been the corner stone of society since the dawn of time. It is hilarious to hear you considering that one of the biggest "collectivist thinking" outfits through history is the church, which is at the cornerstone of the party you support and the ideals which I suspect you support. It is also there that the idea of "responsibility and accountability" has been hollowed out year after year.No, sir, collectivist thinking is bereft of all notion of liberty or responsibility, and collectivist thinkers reject all notion of liberty and responsibility.
You claim liberty is being accountable and responsible for your own actions.. fine, then where was this during the last 9 years in the US?
Sorry Sir.. you live in a fantasy world, where as the rest of us live in the real world, where nothing is black and white, but a whole lot of grey.