The rich has had a damn sweet ride in UK for the last decade - The rest of us do not have a option of moving abroad if taxes rise, we pay taxes. Why shouldn't they?
Seems fair to me tho i do think as well as raising it 5% on the rich, they should bring it up by 1/2% on everyone.
Last edited by Laila; 04-24-09 at 01:45 AM.
No, no, no... in the words of Obama's mentor, Rev Wright.
If you are voluntarily paying "a minimum of 70% of your earnings in taxes and then go to the government if you're in a pinch and need help"... OK... plus one other from the list... then... seeing as you're only learning the responsibilities of being a Good Socialist... The Oversight Authorities will let it got for now.
But we expect you to look like Tarzan and smell like Cheetah in the near future, while executing the Chinese Menu selection above (One item... plus 70% taxes).
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Haha, i'm not a socialist and no i don't think 70% is acceptable, i think it's ridiculous actually seeing the mortages here are off the rails.
Okay you drive a hard bargain, If i do 3 of those on the list, can i skip the 70% taxes?
Last edited by Laila; 04-24-09 at 02:07 AM.
Does anyone wake up in the morning a go well its a new year I better get first 1/3rd of it out of the way paying for government at work.
Or does someone work hard and innovate only to pay a higher tax rate.
Of course they don't, no one actively gets up in the morning doing their daily slog to pay taxes.
Peoples incomes do not exist to pay for government.
I was discovering that life just simply isn't fair and bask in the unsung glory of knowing that each obstacle overcome along the way only adds to the satisfaction in the end. Nothing great, after all, was ever accomplished by anyone sulking in his or her misery.
It's tough to debate someone who fails to recognize the great good Liberty brings... for all mankind.
It's not taught in schools, and look at the EU's attempt at a Constitution.
It may as well have started out:
We the SuperState, in order to form a more perfect Socialist Union, mandate You are Our Subjects, and we Your Master in order to secure all lives and all futures are equal, have equal results, have equal status, have equal incomes and taxation, and only through this SuperState are you blessed to live as we see fit, and for this purpose, your well being, we do ordain and establish this Constitution for the SuperState, aka The European Union.
In Europe they think "Liberty" is an American Style Pizza, and in the US it seems Liberty now means having the Right to Other People's Money.
Last edited by zimmer; 04-24-09 at 02:34 AM.
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Like it or not, we need government, else we would have anarchy. Like it or not we need government else we would never have dug ourselves out of the dark ages. Like it or not, we need government to keep order in the streets and people safe. Like it or not, we need government to be the binding force of society, so we have this thing called "a country". Like it or not we need that government to provide an umbrella of services that we have agreed to provide via the government. Like it or not we need government.
I would love to have no government, but then I also know that the rich and powerful would do anything and everything in their power keep the masses down.. they did it for 2000+ years so why should they not try again if it was not for government? At least with government we have in a democracy, a say in how things are run... in principle.
All this costs money and to get that money, we have chosen a system of taxation. That is life, and like it or not you DO get up in the morning to earn a living well knowing that a part of that effort will go to the tax man to fund the society that you are living in. It goes to the police, army, roads, welfare and so on.
I also agree fully, that high taxes on the rich punishes that drive " to do more", and frankly I hate it. However saying that, I understand the principle and the practice of doing so, and as long as that top tax rate is not insane like it was decades ago in some countries including the US (60+%, even 90+% in some places), then I can live with the fact that on the last Euros that I make, that I will pay a higher tax rate on them. This is because I know, that my sacrifice will provide in part, services for my fellow citizens and my self. It also means that the "weaker" in society who do not earn what I earn, can get a bit of help by a lower tax bill and maybe just maybe, be able to work their way up the never ending ladder of prosperity. It is also a very well known fact, the more you earn, the better you can pay someone to exploit the tax code, so in fact in the end you pay relatively less than someone earning far less than you.
Like it or not, our societies come with a cost for everyone.. that cost is taxes. Without taxes, our societies would be a miss match of tribal areas run by warlords, waring on each other over resources and women and probably STILL paying some sort of tax to the "ruler".