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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by thabigred View Post
    What could possibly be going on the internet that would justify the president shutting down ALL traffic?
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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    I suppose size does matter....
    Only when you don't lose half of it trying to climb the French Alps.

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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    There is no justifiable reason to shut down the internet as a free democracy. The worst harm a virus could ever do, would in fact be to destroy the internet.
    This bill is like authorizing the government to blow up the twin towers to prevent terrorists from flying planes into it.

    The reasons given are simply pathetic. If the government wants to keep its files safe, the only way is to never put them on computers with internet access. Shutting down the internet is useless as a solution, as you could only do it after the fact.

    This is just a government power grab to intrude into the lives of its citizens for reasons that would make Orwell shudder.

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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    Only when you don't lose half of it trying to climb the French Alps.

    +20 if you get that reference.
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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Hey, this passage should put all of your concerns to rest.

    "I kind of view [the Rockefeller bill] as an opening shot," said Tien. "The concept is cybersecurity. There's this 60-day review underway, and some people wanted to get in there and make their mark on the White House policy development."

    IT leaders hope the president will consider their argument that their business is not only incredibly complex and static, but that it also spreads over the entire globe.

    If the United States was to set its own standard for cybersecurity, they say, it would create a host of logistical challenges for technology companies, virtually all of which operate internationally.

    "Any standards have to be set at an international level and be industry led," said Dale Curtis, a spokesman for the Business Software Alliance. "This industry moves so fast, and government just doesn't move that fast."
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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    FYI, it appears that Congress does not intend that S.773 authorize the President to shut down the entire Internet. Under Section 18, Provision 2, the Act the President "may declare a cybersecurity emergency and order the limitation or shutdown of Internet traffic to and from any compromised Federal Government or United States critical infrastructure information system or network..."

    However, the bill's language is far too loose, in my view. It could permit a President to adopt an overly broad definition of critical infrastructure, not dissimilar to the much wider use of wiretapping without warrants that evolved during the 1950s into the early 1970s and then again following 9/11.

    Section 23, Provision 3 offers the following definitions:

    (3) FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND UNITED STATES CRITICAL INFRASTRUCTURE INFORMATION SYSTEMS AND NETWORKS- The term `Federal Government and United States critical infrastructure information systems and networks' includes--

    (A) Federal Government information systems and networks; and

    (B) State, local, and nongovernmental information systems and networks in the United States designated by the President as critical infrastructure information systems and networks.


    In short, strong safeguards need to be in place to assure that a future President would not adopt an overly broad interpretation of his or her authority under the legislation. Therefore, the legislation should establish specific concrete criteria for determining what constitutes "critical infrastructure" and also create a "firewall" around areas that would be excluded from the President's authority. Absent such language, I don't support the legislation given the potential for abuse that could arise given its broad language in Section 23.

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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    That language could easily be interpreted to allow the President to shut down anything.
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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by celticlord View Post
    Hannibal ad portas.
    and here I was all convinced that all Texans were half-wits
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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Arch Enemy View Post
    and here I was all convinced that all Texans were half-wits
    So that qualfied as a hard question? Guess I shouldn't be surprised, coming from NC.


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    Re: Senate Proposal Could Put Heavy Restrictions on Internet Freedoms

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    That language could easily be interpreted to allow the President to shut down anything.
    And that's why I oppose it as it is currently written. When it comes to civil liberties, one should err on the side of caution (adding safeguards rather than relying on good faith) so as to maximize protection of such freedoms.

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