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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Allusionation View Post
    Sadly, some see diplomacy as weak and prefer we keep raising our fists like brutes instead of trying to resolve our differences through dialog.
    I hear this argument all the time, usually premised on the claim that Bush never tried to talk to anyone and always resorted to force first. Which is patently absurd on its face.

    But the people who tend to say this sort of thing rarely, if indeed ever, have an answer to the question . . .

    At what point can it be fairly said that "diplomacy" has failed?
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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    When it fails they simply claim it never occured.

    IE-Iraq, Iran, etc
    ..every instance where there is/was long term diplomatic effort that failed they turn around and claim no diplomacy was tried.

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Harshaw View Post
    At what point can it be fairly said that "diplomacy" has failed?
    IMO diplomacy fails when either the involved parties refuse to compromise and talks stop, or the talks result in worsening the situation.
    Sen. Clare McCaskill (D-MO) said on Wednesday that Joe Biden "has a tendency to talk forever and sometimes say things that are kind of stupid." She seemed to regret her own words, saying, "I was probably having a Joe Biden moment myself."

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    There is no "damage" being done here except in your mind.You can't articulate to any demonstrable degree what "damage" is being done by Obama's actions. And your strategy of sending lesser diplomats is not the answer.
    Castro accused the president of "arrogance" and "superficiality" while also criticizing his support of Washington’s trade embargo on the island, stating Obama has now made the "failed" policy "his own."

    Fidel Castro to Obama: not so fast - World Blog - msnbc.com
    Thrown right back in Obama's face, just like Iran, N.Korea, Russia and even Sarkozy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    If you are the President and you want to send a clear foreign policy message to enemy heads of state you do it yourself. You don't treat them like lowly pissants, even if that's what they are in comparison. Insanity is to continue doing what we''ve done for decades and expect things to somehow turn out differently.
    You obviously missed the part of history with Kissinger & China, and then Baker & the former Soviet Union.
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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by WI Crippler View Post
    I would do it if I were President. Straight shot, right to the ovaries.
    I love when people say stuff like that! +1
    Affiant further sayeth not.

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Our enemies are cashing in on a naive idealistic fool.
    They all know he will give them more.
    Cashing in? Please explain.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by GottaHurt View Post
    Thrown right back in Obama's face, just like Iran, N.Korea, Russia and even Sarkozy.
    That's not "damage." But...I'll give you another chance. Please show me the "damage."

    You obviously missed the part of history with Kissinger & China, and then Baker & the former Soviet Union.
    Inappropriate comparison here, especially given the nature of what Kissinger and Baker were doing and for what reasons. They weren't sent in to "minimize damage" as you said earlier. Kissinger was involved in serious back channel communications, not confronting China as Nixon's mouthpiece. Nixon was making overt gestures for normalization of relations with our enemy during that time, Kissinger was working his connections in Pakistan and Romania trying to facilitate face to face dialog between our leaders. He wasn't there in place of Nixon, he was there because Nixon couldn't get a meet without preconditions on Taiwan. There is a very strong case that China was using the U.S. as leverage against Moscow at that time.

    And don't sit here and try to insinuate (with your emphasis on the "former") Baker had anything to do with the collapse of the Soviet Union. Baker's own memoirs indicate he was oblivious to the actual causes of the collapse of Communism in Eastern Europe. Sounds like to me you need some study time. That or you should just stay out of the deep end of the pool.

    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Lerxst View Post
    Cashing in? Please explain.
    Gaining something of value to them.

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Quote Originally Posted by Triad View Post
    Gaining something of value to them.
    And what is that? Talking **** on Obama? Great, you guys should all be billionaires by now.
    *insert profound statement here*

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    Re: Fidel Castro: Obama 'Misinterpreted' Raul's Words

    Could be any number of things.
    "Cashing in" is a phrase btw not a literal monetary payout.
    "Profit" can be any number of things.


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