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Venezuela Opposition Leader Rosales Flees to Peru (Update3)

:rofl talk about living in a different universe.

I spent tons of time in Europe when Reagan was President.
You folks were as equally hostile... and clueless back then.

You should be happy, and you are,... we have a president that dumps on the US, smiles with our enemies, and won't speak with the opposition at home.

You might say we have Jacques Chirac as head of the US... but there are some things I doubt even Chirac would do that Obama has.

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I spent tons of time in Europe when Reagan was President.
You folks were as equally hostile... and clueless back then.

So you are claiming that Europeans "hated" America just as much under Reagan as it did under Bush? And you are calling us clueless?

You should be happy, and you are,... we have a president that dumps on the US, smiles with our enemies, and won't speak with the opposition at home.

You mean you had in Bush. How can it be Obama's fault that the US right has turned into the party NO! regardless of the topic?

You might say we have Jacques Chirac as head of the US... but there are some things I doubt even Chirac would do that Obama has.

Haha, your view of Jacques Chirac is clueless.

And congratulations, you could not defend your views on Chavez, so you had to change the subject and turn it into a partisan crapfest so to kill the thread.. /clap.
 
Actions have costs, and unlike Reagan, who gave oppressed people hope, Obama gives The Oppressed good reason to be even more fearful.

Obama.. The Despot's Best Friend.

Willing to laugh and listen to despots crap all over America, but unable or willing to speak with the Rush Limbaugh, Obama's anointed leader of the opposition.

Despots "yes we can speak with you"... Conservatives... "no chance we will speak with you."


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Rush bin Limbaugh a debater? more like a masterbater, he does not know how to debate. All he knows how to do is lambast, bombast, foam at the mouth, etc.
If he was offered a chance to do a REAL and properly moderated debate, he would come up with excuses to beg off.
When one person controls the microphone, it isn't a debate, and Rush cannot operate any other way...:2razz::rofl
 
Rush bin Limbaugh a debater? more like a masterbater, he does not know how to debate. All he knows how to do is lambast, bombast, foam at the mouth, etc.
If he was offered a chance to do a REAL and properly moderated debate, he would come up with excuses to beg off.
When one person controls the microphone, it isn't a debate, and Rush cannot operate any other way...:2razz::rofl



Funny, that sounds like you. :lol::lol::lol:
 
So you are claiming that Europeans "hated" America just as much under Reagan as it did under Bush?
I was an adult, early in my business career at the time and remember it well.
You folks were off the charts.

And you are calling us clueless?
Totally clueless.


You mean you had in Bush. How can it be Obama's fault that the US right has turned into the party NO! regardless of the topic?
Please, slow down and try this again in English.

Haha, your view of Jacques Chirac is clueless.
In that one line you could decipher my entire understanding of Ch-Iraq?
OK.

He was as hostile to America as Obama is now... Chirac had the grace to do it during a war... with his butt buddy Gerhard Schroeder. Obama did it too. Three peas in a pod. Socialists... Obama is actually more like Schroeder... an unapologetic socialist and opportunist.

As Chirac told some of New Europe..."They missed a great opportunity to shut up" on their stance on Iraq... and added these views could affect their membership chances.
Sound a little like Obama telling Republicans on the hill not to listen to Rush.

Chirac and Obama are similar in too many ways.
From their taste for the expensive... and their hostility to America.

Fiscally... Chirac is more conservative, but as a Frenchy... that's not saying much about Chirac and says masses about Obama.

And congratulations, you could not defend your views on Chavez, so you had to change the subject and turn it into a partisan crapfest so to kill the thread.
No, I simply answered to something that was posted.
But nice try nonetheless.

Chavez is a thug... you might like him... might defend him... might even love him. Wouldn't put any of these past you.

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And so what? Most of the world is in some way hostile to the US thanks to Bush and the Republican party. The Swiss have an embassy in Tehran, does that mean the Swiss are the US enemies? I believe the Brits have an embassy there too.

Most of the world has been hostile towards us in some way since our inception.

It's Obama's turn now, and to think he's garnered all this loving in under 100 days!

Venezuela's Chavez calls Obama ignoramus | Reuters

AFP: Ahmadinejad raps Obama for shunning racism meeting

Castro: Obama Embargo Plan Will Cause Cubans to Go Hungry - Presidential Politics | Political News - FOXNews.com

Sources Say Sarkozy Finds Obama's Iran Policy Arrogant, Utterly Immature - Political Punch

Russia Gives Obama Brisk Warning - washingtonpost.com

North Korea Tests Obama's Plan to Restrict Nuclear Proliferation - US News and World Report
 

Somewhere we should have a thread that documents his weekly accomplishments.

There are so many screwups... one forgets... and then some slip away... out of the memory bank as a whole wave of newbies emerge... and this forgetting is what they're counting on.

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Obama sent a strong message to our real friends in the region when he **** all over Brazil in not signing the trade agreement.

Now with Obama joining the Hugo Chavez Book Club, it really gave Rosales no other option than to flee.

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^^^^ The Audacity of Hope ^^^^^
 
Chavez annoys me with his rhetoric and his long-winded rants. But the Venezuelan elections are widely recognized as legitimate. The Venezuelan people may vote him out of office if they so desire, as they have elections, even if it serves you to pretend that they don't.
And to me, as an American, being afraid of Venezuela is nothing short of pathetic, or, more likely, the political posturing of those still desperate to portray Obama as un-American and dangerous, regardless of what he does. Seriously, Obama is meeting a foreign head of state who is in no way a threat to us and you would have liked him to put his hands in his pocket like an angry child? Seriously? How pathetic would that have been?
When one grows up they generally learn that in order to get things done, sometimes you have to deal with people you don't necessarily like very much. It doesn’t help to sit in the corner with your fingers in your ears yelling “I can’t hear you!” over and over. That is not strength, it is the epitome of weakness and childishness.
 
And another thread turns into a petty "let's bash Obama" waste of server space.

Anyone got any evidence that Rosales is clean and fleeing for political reasons rather than fleeing because he's actually got legit criminal reasons?

Some people here seem to think that because Chavez is a dictator, that everyone else suddenly became honest.
 
And another thread turns into a petty "let's bash Obama" waste of server space.


critisizm of chairman maobama will not be tolerated.


Anyone got any evidence that Rosales is clean and fleeing for political reasons rather than fleeing because he's actually got legit criminal reasons?

Some people here seem to think that because Chavez is a dictator, that everyone else suddenly became honest.



lets see them, or are you simply speculating again?
 
critisizm of chairman maobama will not be tolerated.

You may want to revisit the thread about forum suggestions. You are doing exactly what the majority of people voted as the #1 worst thing on this site.

lets see them, or are you simply speculating again?

Someone else suggested it and someone else said he fled because Chavez was after him. Neither side has currently provided any evidence of such a claims. However, historically, Venezuelan politics is not the cleanest in the hemisphere, thus providing some historical precedent for why a politician would flee.

Zimmer seems to think that because Chavez is a dictator (which I agree with) everyone else suddenly became clean (which is absurd) and has no reason to flee other than because Chavez is after them for purely political reasons rather than legitimate criminal justification.

Unlike the rest of you, I'm actually waiting for information on both rather than assuming whatever I want regardless of the actual facts.

Perhaps in the future, you should read the thread before jumping in blindly without any understanding of the subject merely hoping to score points against people who have destroyed your arguments in the past. Your post's utter and complete failure to take in the context is quite apparent.
 
You may want to revisit the thread about forum suggestions. You are doing exactly what the majority of people voted as the #1 worst thing on this site.


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And another thread turns into a petty "let's bash Obama" waste of server space.


follow your own advice. please now go run off and start a troll thread on me.... :lol:


btw... how come you are missing from numerous issues threads and only show up to cackle nonsense like this? :2wave:


Someone else suggested it and someone else said he fled because Chavez was after him. Neither side has currently provided any evidence of such a claims. However, historically, Venezuelan politics is not the cleanest in the hemisphere, thus providing some historical precedent for why a politician would flee.

Zimmer seems to think that because Chavez is a dictator (which I agree with) everyone else suddenly became clean (which is absurd) and has no reason to flee other than because Chavez is after them for purely political reasons rather than legitimate criminal justification.

Unlike the rest of you, I'm actually waiting for information on both rather than assuming whatever I want regardless of the actual facts.

Perhaps in the future, you should read the thread before jumping in blindly without any understanding of the subject merely hoping to score points against people who have destroyed your arguments in the past. Your post's utter and complete failure to take in the context is quite apparent.



yeah you destroyed nothing. keep telling yourself that. :lol:



so while you wait for more info, you find it neccessary to attack only the anti chavez posters? interesting. :roll:
 
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