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And that has what to do with the fact that torture is immoral and should not be policy in the US, exactly?
Do you think that abortion is immoral?
I am always amused by the “moral” argument from Liberals who think it is fine to abort a human life.
There is nothing “immoral” in conducting interrogation tactics intended to gain information from desperate thugs intent on murdering great numbers of our people.
There is nothing “immoral” in attempting to SAVE lives by using such methods after thoughtful and careful deliberation as to what methods will not be brutal and considered REAL torture.
Just claiming it is torture to make partisan political points in a vacuum of the reality and events that led our Government to make the decision requires a state of willful denial I am not willing to wallow in.
Perhaps you may want to tie your little story in with something that makes an argument for your position rather than enumerating reasons you disagreed with Nixon getting us out of Vietnam.
Perhaps you should attempt the intellectual effort it would take to comprehend what it is I typed. I never made an argument disagreeing with Nixon getting us out of Vietnam. Re-read what was posted with a modicum of intellectual honesty and get back to me.
As a geneticist, i've never understood why people mistakenly assume that an embryo is a rational, autonomous human life, but that's an argument for another thread. Suffice to say i'm assuming that you recognize your own error in labelling waterboarding as a "humane form to extract critical information"? I can think of absolutely nothing humane about this practice, and neither can you.
You’re a geneticist yet list yourself as a “student?” It takes a fascinating leap of faith to find you credible.
I labeled our efforts as “humane” because we actually went out of our way to ensure that the people being subjected to these methods were not in serious physical harm; as opposed to our enemy who saw the heads of their victims off while they are screaming for mercy and being video taped.
As a self proclaimed “geneticist,” you should be aware that a fertilized egg in the womb of a mother actually constitutes a LIFE. Your desperate Liberal definition of what “life” is merely a desperate rationalization and attempt to avoid REALITY and the FACTS.
Again, it begs the question of why Liberals think nothing of the lack of morality it takes to destroy the life in the womb of a mother, but suddenly wax so eloquent about morality when it comes to interrogation methods used on despicable thugs intent on murdering large numbers of our citizens. Why do you think that is?
I'm assuming in your heated argument against all things Democrat that you recognize the numerous failures of the Republicans on many issues of their own, no? Prohibition of federal funding for embryonic stem cell research, for example, as well as the Abu Ghraib prison torture fiasco, the causes and prelude to the Iraqi War, Hurricane Katrina, etc.
If you want to start your own thread listing Republican failures, I’d be happy to debate them there, but the last time I looked, Democrats are in charge and it is the Democrats who are turning this into a partisan political witch hunt.
Once more you illustrate a profound propensity for making statements lacking in facts or reality. Bush never prohibited funding for embryonic stem cell research; he prohibited Federal FUNDING of it on moral grounds. How trite watching you argue about the morality of torture but then take the moral arguments against embryonic stem cell research to it’s natural Liberal extreme.
Abu Ghraib was not a torture fiasco; it was an example of how we deal with aberrational behavior on the part of our military and subsequently punish them for illegal behavior; how profound that you see this as a failure. But then, that fits in with your narrow partisan political views and we would not want REALITY to get in the way of them right?
The prelude to the Iraq War was a failure of the Bush Administration? What an absurd assertion. The Iraq War was a bi-partisan Democrat and Republican decision which had the support of a vast majority of Americans.
The causes of the prelude to Katrina were natural; are you now going to desperately assert that the Bush Administration caused them; how typically naïve of you.
Those are topics for other threads, of course, but nowhere in your post did I see any moral justification for the topic in which I assume you disagree with me over, namely that torture is/is not acceptable policy.
The moral justification for the methods conducted and used by the Bush Administration lies in the FACT that in the aftermath of 9-11, the Government felt compelled to use certain techniques in order to extract critical information from desperate thugs intent on killing as many of our citizens as they can for the mere fact that they are Americans in order to protect American lives.
The trite hypocrisy being exposed here by Liberals like you is this desperate assertion about morality, something that Liberals are always quick to dismiss.
Carry on; I look forward to more of your desperate contortions to debate morality in Government. Nothing amazes me more when the very citizens the previous administration tried to protect want to now prosecute them for their efforts to protect them from desperate terrorists who think nothing of sawing their heads off while they scream for mercy as if there is a moral argument to protect such thuggery.
You cannot fabricate the level of demagoguery, hypocrisy and willful ignorance it takes to take such positions and make such arguments.