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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    The crazy thing is most folks on here are complaining about the brutality of the waterboarding but when you read about waterboarding and it's effects and then read about sleep deprivation as a form of interrogation the sleep deprivation really does sound far worse. And, it has a more lasting effect on the mind and takes longer to recover from.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    If waterboarding is a harsh technique for getting information what technique would be acceptable for them to try?

    Or at this point are we just supposed to ask nicely for information and just deal with it if they prefer not to tell us anything.

    Seriously. I want to know what - beyond just asking - is an acceptable means of interrogation for the CIA when it comes to captured prisoners.
    Who knows. I'd expect those who did it to be prosecuted, although perhaps treated lightly, but to do it to save thousands of lives in an basically very unrealistic situation.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    So? It does severe, and that means very severe, mental distress. It is so distressing it did get these people to "break".
    If by break you mean give up info - that's sorta the point, right? If by break you mean it broke their bodies give me examples. I haven't been able to find a single case of us killing or damaging a person through waterboarding.

    As for mental distress again with the waterboarding when it is over it's over. The sleep deprivation takes hours if not days and days to recover from depending on how long they refused to let you sleep. Your mind gets all nuts and you can even start to hallucinate. Sounds worse. Also sounds less effective. I mean if you make the person crazy, literally crazy, in the brain then that seems counterproductive.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    The crazy thing is most folks on here are complaining about the brutality of the waterboarding but when you read about waterboarding and it's effects and then read about sleep deprivation as a form of interrogation the sleep deprivation really does sound far worse. And, it has a more lasting effect on the mind and takes longer to recover from.
    What have you been reading? From what I know waterboarding is extremely distressing, hence it and not was the one which worked.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    As for mental distress again with the waterboarding when it is over it's over.
    The mental distress of torture is not over when the torture is over.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by Wessexman View Post
    What have you been reading? From what I know waterboarding is extremely distressing, hence it and not was the one which worked.
    You've apparently already googled tons on waterboarding right? Now go google sleep deprivation. It sounds much worse no matter where you read about it.

    The effects of sleep deprivation are cumulative so the longer you're kept awake the longer it is going to take for your body to fully recover. For example if you're kept awake for 3 days you still won't be normal after 1 night of sleep. Sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis. Hallucinations. Lowered immune system. The brain starts shutting down in parts. If kept up for too long you get reduced cortisol production.

    It's just nasty business.

    At least with the waterboarding when it's done it's done. And how long does it take?

    The sleep deprivation however goes on for hours and hours and hours till the hours are days. And when it's over it takes hours and hours and days to fully recover from that crap.

    Just interesting to compare the effects of the two and then listen to everyone going on about the water while few complain about the sleep thing.

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    The mental distress of torture is not over when the torture is over.
    So you think the terrorists who want to kill us are gonna get post traumatic stress disorder from the waterboarding?

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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    You've apparently already googled tons on waterboarding right? Now go google sleep deprivation. It sounds much worse no matter where you read about it.

    The effects of sleep deprivation are cumulative so the longer you're kept awake the longer it is going to take for your body to fully recover. For example if you're kept awake for 3 days you still won't be normal after 1 night of sleep. Sleep deprivation can lead to psychosis. Hallucinations. Lowered immune system. The brain starts shutting down in parts. If kept up for too long you get reduced cortisol production.

    It's just nasty business.

    At least with the waterboarding when it's done it's done. And how long does it take?

    The sleep deprivation however goes on for hours and hours and hours till the hours are days. And when it's over it takes hours and hours and days to fully recover from that crap.

    Just interesting to compare the effects of the two and then listen to everyone going on about the water while few complain about the sleep thing.
    You're talking about physical effects. You are correct. The long term physical effects of sleep deprivation are far worse than the long term physical effects of waterboarding. What is being discussed, it seems, is the mental effects of torture. Mental effects can be quite severe, irrespective of physical effects.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by talloulou View Post
    So you think the terrorists who want to kill us are gonna get post traumatic stress disorder from the waterboarding?
    Probably. I seem to recall some evidence showing this that I posted about a year ago. I'll try to dig it up.
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    Re: Banned Techniques Yielded ‘High Value Information,’ Memo Says

    Quote Originally Posted by CaptainCourtesy View Post
    You're talking about physical effects. You are correct. The long term physical effects of sleep deprivation are far worse than the long term physical effects of waterboarding. What is being discussed, it seems, is the mental effects of torture. Mental effects can be quite severe, irrespective of physical effects.
    Yeah but you're a captured prisoner. Captured by another country. You're going to have mental effects from that anyway.

    Plus again the waterboarding is over in short set period of time. It's like a burst of feeling uncomfortable. Horrible but over relatively quick.

    What the hell are they doing to keep the prisoners awake for days? I imagine it's lots of taunting, loud noises, yelling, and god knows what and that goes on for an extended period of time -NONSTOP so they can't sleep. The mental effects of that have to be just as long if not longer than the waterboarding and it arguably causes actual physical damage to the bodily system.

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